Any future plans for this community?

[Hernandez]

What is the destination of the community? Is it gonna be revived? Is there something cooking that would probably heal it back?
I've been inactive so I'm not aware of all what's been happening here but I heard things ve been going on quite badly, therefore excuse my questions.

[Spike.]

I believe the new GTA V server is what will decide the future of the community. I just hope that it's not more of the same on a different game. The developers seem to have been doing a good job from what I can see and it now rests with that server's HQ to make sure it's a breath of fresh air and not more of the same.

They'll need proper rules and a proper staff team as a foundation to build from. Sadly for SA:MP it was already too late when I got the helm with Bas. I can't speak for VC:MP and IV:MP as I've not played there in ages but the situation seems to be the same.

[Kowalski.]

IV:MP, yes. VC:MP, no.

VC:MP is doing fairly well, even though it's somewhat dead at times, when people come online and play, the situation is always perfectly fine.

[kawashty]

A new change should revive the server and attract players with new features to Liberty city.

We are going to change the client and head for CitizenMP:IV, where ArgonathRPG server will be introduced in, Currently the server is being created and still.

[Hevar.]

GTA is a very old game and we all are old, jalla go out and fuck bitchies and work and have fun. Its very haram to play GTA too much

[Huntsman]

As much as it saddens me to say this, SA:MP's future is rather clear. Having paid a visit there recently, the conclusion that at this point it's pretty much on life support by the very few players that still play it. I mean, come on. 5-10 people are nowhere close to enough for a game of scale that San Andreas is and the server feels empty, the police force is nearly non existent and it is mostly people grinding the scripted jobs and meth/crafting scripts to get money.

VC:MP is probably doing the best out of all the branches. It is currently under one of its inactivity spells which are usual for the server mid-autumn to late winter, and it picks up significant activity from early spring to early autumn, when the server usually has around 15 players playing at any given moment daily, which is a lot for the size of the map. It has only been Argonath in name for quite a while now - it's hosted on a non-Argonath server and the management seems to have been following a seperate path of ideology seperate from the rest of Argonath. Therefore, it has become quite a community of its own with dedicated players who keep the server active at all times.

Last I remember of IV:MP, when it was still on the new client, things seemed grim and that was too dying out. Not sure how is the situation there now that they have moved to Citizen:MP.

I believe that eventually GTA V will revive the community and the SAMP branch will be closed. The game is now too old, it just does not have enough of a playerbase to attract new players. VC:MP survived this death of the community because for its entire existence it more or less has the same people playing it, with very few actually new players joining, and often those new players stick around, slowly replacing those who grow out of the game and dont have time to play it anymore. It's always the same ten people playing the game, hence why its currently in a stable condition. I cannot say what the future of IVMP will be, as i've no idea how things are there now.

[James Conway]

Last I remember of IV:MP, when it was still on the new client, things seemed grim and that was too dying out. Not sure how is the situation there now that they have moved to Citizen:MP.

Situation is not good here at the moment. I'm hoping CitizenIV will bring back some activity. It's virtually the last chance anyway.

Maybe RedM could be a nice addition too besides FiveM.

[Nathan]

I don't think Argonath has a future anymore. Argonath either needs new, active ownership or just die off.

How does a company function without a leader? It doesn't. It might survive for a couple of years but eventually, it will become either stagnant or eat itself from within.

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

[boostboy]

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

Promoting the creation of another community in this one? Now that's a -bold move-.. makes me wonder what the later part of your message truly meant.

[Hidduh]

I don't think Argonath has a future anymore. Argonath either needs new, active ownership or just die off.

How does a company function without a leader? It doesn't. It might survive for a couple of years but eventually, it will become either stagnant or eat itself from within.

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

100% agreed.

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

Promoting the creation of another community in this one? Now that's a -bold move-.. makes me wonder what the later part of your message truly meant.

Can we just not? Just for once?

[TheGreasyChopper]

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

Promoting the creation of another community in this one? Now that's a -bold move-.. makes me wonder what the later part of your message truly meant.

That step exactly is what Argo's based on.

Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.

In other words...Argonath has become the reason people made Argonath in first place. Which I am not sure if it is bad or good...

[Chase]

I don't think Argonath has a future anymore. Argonath either needs new, active ownership or just die off.

How does a company function without a leader? It doesn't. It might survive for a couple of years but eventually, it will become either stagnant or eat itself from within.

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

Each division kinda acts as its own community already because everyone has grown tired of inactive owners. When I was developing for SAMP I did not wait for inactive leadership to discuss features and enhancements. I only really cared to do stuff for people who still cared. The dynamic microphone feature was added primarily due to SanTV's efforts. I did not wait for the old man to give his blessing on anything. The same applies to FiveM.

I am fully aware the community can and eventually will crumble and servers will be unplugged. I don't know about other divisions but I can say that all 3 of us on the FiveM dev team are aware of this and we have other options when that happens. Everything is backed up externally. Note that this is not a message of malicious intent, remember that if Argonath suddenly goes bye bye, the Argonath NDA becomes moot because there is not Argonath.

[Kowalski.]

Gandalf is inactive, yeah, and I agree that he needs to be around but I reckon with the division leaders and the community leader, at least for now we're going onward. I honestly reckon Argonath will continue on, it has for 12 years already.

As for a new community, can we not have a Mudoo RPG repeat?

[Nathan]

If players are interested, maybe it's time to create a new community that will have active leadership that will provide a direction. The leadership must take bold moves, but also try out new markets (games) and expand with some proper ways to support the community.

Promoting the creation of another community in this one? Now that's a -bold move-.. makes me wonder what the later part of your message truly meant.

Don't accuse me of shit, Mr. Zero Tolerance. I'm providing an answer to the question with a suggestion. In case you're oblivious, Argonath was built from splitting apart from another community over a conflict, as @TheGreasyChopper noted. My suggestion on creating a new community did not mean we need another Mudoo repeat but instead, I'm bringing up a valid point that with a failing leadership and lack of ownership, we're simply going to be driving this community down.

I am fully aware the community can and eventually will crumble and servers will be unplugged. I don't know about other divisions but I can say that all 3 of us on the FiveM dev team are aware of this and we have other options when that happens. Everything is backed up externally. Note that this is not a message of malicious intent, remember that if Argonath suddenly goes bye bye, the Argonath NDA becomes moot because there is not Argonath.

Thanks for bringing this point up.

[Kowalski.]

Rather than a new community, Nathan, in my opinion, a better idea is to somehow integrate more active leadership into the community, such as an assistant community leader and perhaps if possible, for Gandalf to make time to come around now and then, but if he can't, we need more active leadership. I believe that might be a better solution to creating another community.