Knock knock

[Dennis.]

Also I want to point out that our increased roleplay requirements, as opposed to being an "RP for the sake of DM" type of server, has led to many uh, undesirable players getting banned and ostracized. These individuals and groups can now be found at a server that shall not be named. You know, the server that stole basically every Argonath script? Yeah. That one. If you thought Argonath had its shitshow moments, you have no idea...

This is precisely the biggest issue, we have a big part that wants the server a bit freeroam while another big part wants it to be serious roleplay. Neither want the middle solution.

Server always was a light roleplay one. Being a light roleplay server doesnt mean that players are lacking roleplay knowledge but that's the way that players want to play. For example, If server becomes heavy rp, I would avoid playing some time bcz I'd have no time and nerves to dedicate into typing more than enjoying the game. Got no time to waste into a random roleplay scene for 2hours.

If I'd have been into typing game, I wouldn't be here at all.

"another big part wants it to be serious roleplay"

Once again, the fact that we're into light roleplay doesn't mean that we are amateurs at roleplaying. Why would i join a light roleplay server and moan about it? Makes no sense.

My opinion.

[Stivi]

Yeah like these people weren't playing in a less-open-to-rp environment (rs4) before rs5 and rs6. Somehow this is the issue now.

[Bogomil]

Yall sensitive female dogs need to grow a pair and stop deleting everything I say.
I'll repeat it:
1. The fish rots from the head
2. When you ask why people are not playing anymore, maybe don't ignore what they say and do something about it.
3. There was a perfect balance between hardcore role play and side things. Not implementing the rules and letting everything slide made people think the administration is incapable of doing their job. If you want to find the balance start something by yourself. I'll keep repeating that project Angel Pine was executed perfectly and brought the server to some balanced condition.
4. There are like 100 people expressing their opinion on the forum. Instead of making new topic asking for feedback on nothing, write down what they previously said in a text file. Analyze what people want and do it.
Apart from Hubert, Bas and Andeey with HR, I don't remember many HQ members posting screens of role playing. Stay professional. Be a role model and people will join you.

[Darty]

The people who complain their asses off here are the reason why the server has no activity.

I log into the forum after a few months of being swamped in real life. What do I see? A topic where people are supposed to voice their reasons on inactivity. And you all are doing nothing, but pointing fingers, and not actually giving ideas to make the server interesting. Personally, after seeing this topic and the situation, I don't have a reason to join. My advice to @Khm is to take matters into his own hands and actually update some of the features in order for people to join.

Yeah well, so much for nothing.

[Cyd Parker]

The people who complain their asses off here are the reason why the server has no activity.

I log into the forum after a few months of being swamped in real life. What do I see? A topic where people are supposed to voice their reasons on inactivity. And you all are doing nothing, but pointing fingers, and not actually giving ideas to make the server interesting. Personally, after seeing this topic and the situation, I don't have a reason to join. My advice to @Khm is to take matters into his own hands and actually update some of the features in order for people to join.

Yeah well, so much for nothing.

Firstly, see it logically. Maybe people aren't actually pointing fingers, they are giving there opinions. We have a majority of people here blaming the staff team, and maybe that's true as well. And if not, we still will have to consider it because majority wins. I am one of the guy who do believe that the playerbase was affected by the staff itself. And your suggestion, major inactivity is the reason of staff team taking major actions by themselves, I believe even players should have participated back then, but staff made maximum decisions themselves.
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This is a high time, people already left and won't come again and we all know this, but maybe consider what players say and maybe they will lure there old friends back in the server.
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There must be a reason why people are attacking iKhm.

[Serifis]

Yall sensitive female dogs need to grow a pair and stop deleting everything I say.
I'll repeat it:
1. The fish rots from the head
2. When you ask why people are not playing anymore, maybe don't ignore what they say and do something about it.
3. There was a perfect balance between hardcore role play and side things. Not implementing the rules and letting everything slide made people think the administration is incapable of doing their job. If you want to find the balance start something by yourself. I'll keep repeating that project Angel Pine was executed perfectly and brought the server to some balanced condition.
4. There are like 100 people expressing their opinion on the forum. Instead of making new topic asking for feedback on nothing, write down what they previously said in a text file. Analyze what people want and do it.
Apart from Hubert, Bas and Andeey with HR, I don't remember many HQ members posting screens of role playing. Stay professional. Be a role model and people will join you.

+1 Love you man! Its funny when they are asking us and then they are threatening us to care what we will say or do not even count our opinions. Personally if my problem is a person I will point my finger over his face until I pop his eye out.
If you find that insulting or what ever you may think,
let the hell break loose Mr.Stefos. Yeah my finger points at you! If you dont like what players believes
no need to ask them, is better than threatening after
your question.

I have tired to see post like this (In all servers), when you are asking for help and then when someone says something that you dont like "the hell is waiting". Com on guys I think you can do it much better than this!

I dont have clear view about SAMP or VCMP but in IVMP we have over 5-6 Modarators / Admins / etc + the high rank, why you dont ask your own people why they are not joining the server and do that only to pay taxes?

At the end looks like the "Admin VS players" is not only
a topic in the forum and that is sad...

[AK47]

Initial release date: May 10, 2006

[Khm]

There must be a reason why people are attacking iKhm.

You're missing something only 2 or 3 are complaining about me.

Yall sensitive female dogs need to grow a pair and stop deleting everything I say.
I'll repeat it:
1. The fish rots from the head
2. When you ask why people are not playing anymore, maybe don't ignore what they say and do something about it.
3. There was a perfect balance between hardcore role play and side things. Not implementing the rules and letting everything slide made people think the administration is incapable of doing their job. If you want to find the balance start something by yourself. I'll keep repeating that project Angel Pine was executed perfectly and brought the server to some balanced condition.
4. There are like 100 people expressing their opinion on the forum. Instead of making new topic asking for feedback on nothing, write down what they previously said in a text file. Analyze what people want and do it.
Apart from Hubert, Bas and Andeey with HR, I don't remember many HQ members posting screens of role playing. Stay professional. Be a role model and people will join you.

+1 Love you man! Its funny when they are asking us and then they are threatening us to care what we will say or do not even count our opinions. Personally if my problem is a person I will point my finger over his face until I pop his eye out.
If you find that insulting or what ever you may think,
let the hell break loose Mr.Stefos. Yeah my finger points at you! If you dont like what players believes
no need to ask them, is better than threatening after
your question.

I have tired to see post like this (In all servers), when you are asking for help and then when someone says something that you dont like "the hell is waiting". Com on guys I think you can do it much better than this!

I dont have clear view about SAMP or VCMP but in IVMP we have over 5-6 Modarators / Admins / etc + the high rank, why you dont ask your own people why they are not joining the server and do that only to pay taxes?

At the end looks like the "Admin VS players" is not only
a topic in the forum and that is sad...

You have your fingers up then what? You will just get tired standing while in the end came with no result.

Initial release date: May 10, 2006

True but look at VC:MP aswell.

[Norrage]

Face it, the entire environment in SA:MP was, is and will be toxic as hell. Blaming HQ has been done for the past 5 years (ever since I returned in 2015) and here we still are. Like it or not, each one of you should be ashamed about the current server status with your constant blaming. Don't pull the "haven't seen you in a while" card because it is totally irrelevant.

I totally regret to say, but I think the SA:MP (and maybe even other servers) might be at their point of no return. Let it go man and look forward instead trying to fix something that (in my eyes) is unable to fix.

[Stivi]

Well if there are no issues with the leaderships then, as a simple player, I can totally follow in their footpath, right? Who do I ask for the donation link again?

I would rather be in the unban request arguing with Cyril for months, than get banned by idiots who don't know how to uphold the rules they are supposed to enforce but don't understand. People with difficulties in the English language getting accepted? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all for supporting people and giving them a chance, but give someone that knows the rules a chance. Not to mention the hackers/cheaters.

It really is very hard to write a sentence without naming or straight-up insulting.

+1 Love you man! Its funny when they are asking us and then they are threatening us to care what we will say or do not even count our opinions. Personally if my problem is a person I will point my finger over his face until I pop his eye out.
If you find that insulting or what ever you may think,
let the hell break loose Mr.Stefos. Yeah my finger points at you! If you dont like what players believes
no need to ask them, is better than threatening after
your question.

I have tired to see post like this (In all servers), when you are asking for help and then when someone says something that you dont like "the hell is waiting". Com on guys I think you can do it much better than this!

I dont have clear view about SAMP or VCMP but in IVMP we have over 5-6 Modarators / Admins / etc + the high rank, why you dont ask your own people why they are not joining the server and do that only to pay taxes?

At the end looks like the "Admin VS players" is not only
a topic in the forum and that is sad...

You have your fingers up then what? You will just get tired standing while in the end came with no result.

How is this fit for a manager to say? The way I read it, you are saying we should shove the finger up our asses because no matter how much we identify the problem, nobody will do anything about it? Elaborate, please.

[Bogomil]

Letting that kind of attitude slide shows exactly how much of an ownership/leadership we have. Zero respect for the players. I guarantee you sir, you might not be the only problem, but after you leave the server will flourish.

You're missing something only 2 or 3 are complaining about me.

No, buddy. 2 or 3 are saying your name. The others are either too polite or don't want to get in trouble. Make a poll if you should stay in the HQ or not. If more than 20 people vote with no, will you resign?

[Khm]

Face it, the entire environment in SA:MP was, is and will be toxic as hell. Blaming HQ has been done for the past 5 years (ever since I returned in 2015) and here we still are. Like it or not, each one of you should be ashamed about the current server status with your constant blaming. Don't pull the "haven't seen you in a while" card because it is totally irrelevant.

I totally regret to say, but I think the SA:MP (and maybe even other servers) might be at their point of no return. Let it go man and look forward instead trying to fix something that (in my eyes) is unable to fix.

The way I see it, if we stop this constant throwing the ball to someone else, we would improve greatly, the other server has about 40 players that are originally from our community, they actually play there and they are not even banned here.

+1 Love you man! Its funny when they are asking us and then they are threatening us to care what we will say or do not even count our opinions. Personally if my problem is a person I will point my finger over his face until I pop his eye out.
If you find that insulting or what ever you may think,
let the hell break loose Mr.Stefos. Yeah my finger points at you! If you dont like what players believes
no need to ask them, is better than threatening after
your question.

I have tired to see post like this (In all servers), when you are asking for help and then when someone says something that you dont like "the hell is waiting". Com on guys I think you can do it much better than this!

I dont have clear view about SAMP or VCMP but in IVMP we have over 5-6 Modarators / Admins / etc + the high rank, why you dont ask your own people why they are not joining the server and do that only to pay taxes?

At the end looks like the "Admin VS players" is not only
a topic in the forum and that is sad...

You have your fingers up then what? You will just get tired standing while in the end came with no result.

How is this fit for a manager to say? The way I read it, you are saying we should shove the finger up our asses because no matter how much we identify the problem, nobody will do anything about it? Elaborate, please.

I'm not sure how hard was it to get that it actually meant "just shouting that you're blaming X or Y won't get you any near to any solution if you aren't proposing a fix to an existing problem.
If we're going to speak about the way I talk and make a comparison between both of us we would still be comparing eachother till tomorrow and I doubt it will ever end. You're the last person to tell someone the way how he/she/it talks civilly with no ill intentions, this isn't the toiletbowl after all.

Letting that kind of attitude slide shows exactly how much of an ownership/leadership we have. Zero respect for the players. I guarantee you sir, you might not be the only problem, but after you leave the server will flourish.

You're missing something only 2 or 3 are complaining about me.

No, buddy. 2 or 3 are saying your name. The others are either too polite or don't want to get in trouble. Make a poll if you should stay in the HQ or not. If more than 20 people vote with no, will you resign?

I have a better suggestion, how about if we get more than 20 people to have a vote on you would you close down Religious Political Party (the one you're running on the other server that you were so active on few weeks ago and spread your bs about us there) and actually play here? Not sure if Argo is going to flourish if you do that though.

[Bogomil]

Look how pathetic you are. Talking about mudoo like you never played there, like it's something bad. Let me remind you (plural) that the server you hate so much was created by players who played here for 10 years and they got pissed, because of incompetent staff. Almost three years later,  they are way ahead of us in terms of scripts and activity, while we stay here, creating topics and complain how unfair it is that someone didn't stand the constant bullshit and created his own server.
Let's say you never resign, how can you make the server better?
You know, when you first became a manager I actually said "let's not judge him too early and give him a chance.".
Summerize what have you done in almost a year of being a manager. How did you improve the server and why you need to keep your position? And don't say that pointing fingers out is not the solution. If you want people to trust you again summerize everything you did so far and your plans for the future. Just then we can talk normally without pointing fingers out.

[Badandy]

Jesus fucking Christ.

This topic is turning into a shit hole and it's leading to nothing productive. I'm not even going to respond to what these replies have been for today because SAMP needs to do one of two things.

1) Shut down and plan for the future with looking for another game.
2) Radically change SAMP through huge development and changes on relations between HQ/players.

These are the only two options. I personally favor number one because the likely hood of huge changes in SAMP is unlikely due to history. Now the question is, why do people play Mudoo?
I personally joined Mudoo because I was tired of the BS in Argonath but I came back because I didn't like certain people in Mudoo. I don't really know much about them nowadays but they are successful. Don't bitch and moan about "They stole scripts, they are cancer, blah" shit. Players typically play on servers that have players. They also have active leadership that can change things when they want to. They are like another business, why do customers shop there? Argonath RPG is like Sears/Kmart and Mudoo is Amazon. Mudoo is newer and based on older ideas but they changed them up and get more people nowadays.

I feel like focusing on Mudoo is the wrong idea though because what's the goal in that? Stealing the players back that already left? I really think SAMP needs a face lift since development has been stagnant for a while with peaks of development. Along with that, this bickering back and forth between players and HQ is just shit.

HQ should decide what option will happen and act accordingly. Lock this topic and in 72 hours provide an outline of a plan and act on it. We need action now, not just talking. 

[Stefos]

I feel like focusing on Mudoo is the wrong idea though because what's the goal in that? Stealing the players back that already left? I really think SAMP needs a face lift since development has been stagnant for a while with peaks of development. Along with that, this bickering back and forth between players and HQ is just shit.

HQ should decide what option will happen and act accordingly. Lock this topic and in 72 hours provide an outline of a plan and act on it. We need action now, not just talking.

Finally someone seems like they have a fucking brain. SA:MP is not dead because of the years, it's dead because of the players not getting what they want and need. Look at all those older games, they all have shit loads of players. How so? They update shit daily. They don't wait every 3 months for an update just like Argo. Plus, the updates that they do are decent and make the experience way fucking better. But look what happened here, even if you did such a big development product, it wouldn't end good. Mudoo started with Argo players, and gets more and more players daily. Argonath players right now are moving to mudoo as well, no one knows it yet. It's a matter of time before people find out. And what happens when Argo HQ finds out? They talk shit to them. They made a choice, to go to mudoo. Why? Because they don't like anything here anymore.

Staff not punishing rulebreakers, staff not giving a shit, staff basically not caring. Half the staff are here to asslick and get attention, and I have already gave somewhat enough proof when I was still in the team. For not all staffs, but a few. HQ is literally so stupid to understand anything I said. It's all bullshit at this point. I reported half the staff team to HQ but what did I get? "Stop making conspiracy theories". I gave enough fucking proof of anything. Guess what happened, I got kicked, well yes. I was dumb and half my actions were shit. I also said "Staffs only go online when there's 1/100 players online or whenever Hubert is online". Yeah... and I also called them desperate for promotions for doing so. A few hours later, I got kicked.

What happened with all my reports though? NOTHING. Look at where my reported staffs are right now. Senior Admin, Admin, Moderator. like wtf. Yall don't give a fuck and I don't know why you're still trying to revive this server. If Gandalf or Carbon gave a fuck, HQ wouldn't be there, if not, then actions were to be taken. Give up already. Even though there's a few chances doing a big development change, nothing is gonna end up good. Server has been dead since '18.

tl;dr staff is stupid, give up already, server's dead. FiveM is the future

With love, Stefos.