[Unbanned]Unban Application: [EAF]Sean

[Dance]

Full ingame name: [EAF]Sean
Approximate date of getting banned: Last week.
Reason of getting banned: Crate abuse.
Further information: Before explaining myself, I'll state that NOW I am aware of the fact that crates are only to be used as a storage and nothing else, that includes, a pathway or a block to climb on to access places that are otherwise not accessible (yes, I read the announcement made in discord after I was banned and I don't have any doubts about it anymore).

We were indulged in a kind of a photoshoot of a billboard. Before I placed my crates, I saw someone had placed a crate on top of a car to access the roofs and since 3 admins were present when that was being done (I don't know who placed that crate), I thought it's cool to do that. Keeping that in mind, I went on to place the crates to access a place that is anyways accessible regardless of crates. I wasn't the only one who used those crates and I placed those crates under supervision of 3 administrators who were in fact present and on the scene and had also used those crates. I was under the impression that since it is being entertained by the staff members, it was okay to do that (also there had been a crate tower case in the past and no announcements or punishments were given out after that, made me sure that I wasn't breaking any rules.) It was my mistake that I wasn't sure about something and I did it regardless without asking if it is even legal. I have always respected the rules and I will continue to do so if given a chance.

[Klaus]

To give a quick background to this ban, so you're well aware of the situation, you were banned for abusing the crate script by using it for means other than what they were intended for. I received a complaint from a player and reported to it immedietly, only to find a large amount of 'floating' crates with stupid notes. I removed them all, to the displeasure of the players there. Sorry not sorry, rulebreak is not allowed. Script abuse is a bannable offense and not to be taken lightly. Upon checking logs, I found the following:

   Line 31306: 22/11/2020 [16:07:27] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note 1
   Line 31308: 22/11/2020 [16:07:29] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash 
   Line 31322: 22/11/2020 [16:08:03] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note 1
   Line 31324: 22/11/2020 [16:08:04] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash
   Line 31327: 22/11/2020 [16:08:09] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note 1
   Line 31345: 22/11/2020 [16:08:57] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash
   Line 31357: 22/11/2020 [16:09:52] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note sex
   Line 31360: 22/11/2020 [16:10:00] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash
   Line 31365: 22/11/2020 [16:10:19] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note sex2
   Line 31368: 22/11/2020 [16:10:27] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash
   Line 31410: 22/11/2020 [16:12:59] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note sex2
   Line 31402: 22/11/2020 [16:12:27] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash 
   Line 31419: 22/11/2020 [16:13:20] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note sex
   Line 31422: 22/11/2020 [16:13:27] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash
   Line 31435: 22/11/2020 [16:14:38] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /addpack note sexfinal
   Line 31438: 22/11/2020 [16:14:43] --COMMAND-- [eAF]sEaN: /stash 

Do you honestly think the above is a proper use of the crate/stash script? Please explain to me why you think this is OK to do on a roleplay server?

I placed those crates under supervision of 3 administrators who were in fact present and on the scene and had also used those crates.

If you are you going to call out any administrator(s) then name them instead of just beating around the bush.

I was under the impression that since it is being entertained by the staff members, it was okay to do that (also there had been a crate tower case in the past and no announcements or punishments were given out after that, made me sure that I wasn't breaking any rules.)

So if an admin is breaking rules, you will just blindly follow? Use your initiative and know what is right and what is wrong.

I have always respected the rules and I will continue to do so if given a chance.

How have you always respected the rules when you have previous bans? Do not lie to my face as I do not appreciate it. You're beginning to rack up quite the record.

[Dance]

Do you honestly think the above is a proper use of the crate/stash script? Please explain to me why you think this is OK to do on a roleplay server?

It is not and what I did was wrong. However I did not know that it wasn't allowed since I'm not the first one to use crates that way and the announcement about the crates was made after my ban. Now as I said, I am aware of the fact that crates are only to be used as a storage and nothing else, that includes, a pathway or a block to climb on to access places that are otherwise not accessible.

So if an admin is breaking rules, you will just blindly follow? Use your initiative and know what is right and what is wrong.

Agreed, my bad. From now onwards I'll play on a safer side and ask when I'm unsure.

How have you always respected the rules when you have previous bans? Do not lie to my face as I do not appreciate it. You're beginning to rack up quite the record.

Last time I broke a rule, I apologized immediately that very second, however I did get banned and posted an unban application 15 minutes after my ban. I took full responsibility of my wrong doings, and I never repeated that mistake again nor do I intend to do so in the future. This time was a big misunderstanding. Had I known that using crates that way was a rulebreak, I would never have done that. But now I do and just like I never repeated my last mistake, I won't be repeating this one as well. I made mistakes and I've learnt from them. You can look up my records, I have never made a same mistake twice and I will keep my record that way and play respecting all the rules.

[Klaus]

This time was a big misunderstanding. Had I known that using crates that way was a rulebreak, I would never have done that.

It is not and what I did was wrong. However I did not know that it wasn't allowed since I'm not the first one to use crates that way and the announcement about the crates was made after my ban.

So it was clear to you it was wrong, but you did you it anyway because "Oh the admins haven't told me otherwise"? Do you need me to explain to you every possible way to abuse the script, or are you able to use some initiative and common sense to understand if you're using the script for reasons not intended? Your answer is important as I'm not in the profession of babysitting.

[Dance]

I did not know at that time that what I was doing is considered script abuse. It was after my ban when I consulted Kessu, I found out about it. I was wrong by depending on others, while as instead I should be aware of the rules myself and shouldn't follow what others do. I know staff is happy to help whenever anyone has a doubt. And I should in no way indulge in such actions especially when I'm unsure if it is allowed or not. No you do not need to guide me on each and every possibility of script abuse, I now know it pretty well. If crates are made for storing stuff, they should only be used for storing stuff, nothing else. It was my mistake I took it all very casually. I have now understood my mistakes and I will at all times ensure that I don't break any of the rules in the future. That's the least I can do considering I have been a part of Argonath for a very long time and by now I should've known how things are. It was an honest mistake by me and I assure you, if given a last chance, you won't ever have to see me in this section of the forums ever again.

[Klaus]

I did not know at that time that what I was doing is considered script abuse.

Then what is your definition of script abuse? I would like you to explain to me why you did not consider your actions script abuse. Explain to me why its perfectly normal to stash multiple crates with nonsense notes in mid-air in order to reach inaccessible areas.

[Dance]

Then what is your definition of script abuse? I would like you to explain to me why you did not consider your actions script abuse. Explain to me why its perfectly normal to stash multiple crates with nonsense notes in mid-air in order to reach inaccessible areas.

I did not know at that time that what I was doing is considered script abuse.

As I said, at that time I didn't know if it was considered script abuse. I wasn't the first player to use crates this way and I had never seen anyone else get punished for it hence why I was mistaken. However, now it is very clear to me as to what all is considered script abuse and it won't be repeated. If anyone had told me in-game about that being counted as a script abuse, I would've stopped right there and would've apologized right away. It was after I got banned that it was made clear to the public that it isn't allowed. Who would want to break rules intentionally? It was a misunderstanding and it won't be repeated again.

[Klaus]

Then what is your definition of script abuse? I would like you to explain to me why you did not consider your actions script abuse. Explain to me why its perfectly normal to stash multiple crates with nonsense notes in mid-air in order to reach inaccessible areas.

I did not know at that time that what I was doing is considered script abuse.

As I said, at that time I didn't know if it was considered script abuse. I wasn't the first player to use crates this way and I had never seen anyone else get punished for it hence why I was mistaken. However, now it is very clear to me as to what all is considered script abuse and it won't be repeated. If anyone had told me in-game about that being counted as a script abuse, I would've stopped right there and would've apologized right away. It was after I got banned that it was made clear to the public that it isn't allowed. Who would want to break rules intentionally? It was a misunderstanding and it won't be repeated again.

I'll rephrase:
At that time, explain to me why you did not consider your actions script abuse. Explain to me why at that time you thought it was perfectly normal to stash multiple crates with nonsense notes in mid-air in order to reach inaccessible areas.

[Dance]

I'll rephrase:
At that time, explain to me why you did not consider your actions script abuse. Explain to me why at that time you thought it was perfectly normal to stash multiple crates with nonsense notes in mid-air in order to reach inaccessible areas.

As I said, at that time I was under the impression that what I was doing isn't punishable because I had seen many players use crates that way and they weren't punished. Turns out it was never entertained and me stashing those crates was the one that broke camel's back. I was wrong for having this mentality. This has made me learn that I shouldn't depend on others and should know my rules on my own instead of following others. I made a huge mistake, however now it is in the past and I promise this won't be repeated again.

[Klaus]

I was under the impression that what I was doing isn't punishable because I had seen many players use crates that way and they weren't punished

You should know better that just because someone goes unpunished it doesn't mean it's right. I know I'm good but I don't have eyes in the back of my head.

But you still haven't really answered my question. Yes I know at the time you thought you'd go unpunished, but I want you to tell me your thought process behind what you were doing. Did you not really think about what you were doing? The only thing that crossed your mind was "I haven't seen anyone punished for it so it must be ok"? Because I'm having a hard time understanding that logic. "I haven't seen anyone punished for this, even though crates are blatantly not meant to 'float' and be used as platforms... oh heck I'll do it anyway". There is a real lack of common sense here and it's bugging me.

[Dance]

I want you to tell me your thought process behind what you were doing.

Okay but before I start with my thought process at that time, I'll make it clear that I accept it was my fault and I should've been more careful and shouldn't have taken things casually.

Now I am not a player who plays daily, I do hop in game from time to time to have some fun. We had planned to take a few fun photos with the joke billboard so we went there. Upon reaching there I saw a crate placed on top of a car to access the roofs (if you check a little before the logs of me stashing those crate you'll see there was a crate stashed there), so everyone was using it to access the roofs even though the roofs were anyways accessible by jumping from the cars roof (the crate was placed on car's bonnet.) Now the next objective was to reach the billboard and since not long ago, I had seen that crate on car, I thought maybe I should stash another crate to access that place. Note, at that time I was under the impression that since it had been done in the past by several players, it won't be a big deal. As Kessu said, if he was to handle every case of abuse, every player in the server would be banned. This makes it clear that it is no hiding that majority of the server takes things casually at times. I am not pointing any fingers on anyone, I am myself to blame for what I have done. But that (the fact the other players have done it before) did put me at ease (BIG MISTAKE) and since I was anyways accompanied by a few administrators at that time when I stashed those crates, I didn't think my actions through (BIG MISTAKE). You can call it lack of common sense, but at that time I prefered not to think about it too much since I had my confidence in others which was my biggest mistake. I should have been aware that I shouldn't be using crates for something it is not meant for. I also shouldn't have depended on others and should've known about the rules by myself. It was my carelessness that brought me where I am right now.

I will mention that I have clearly understood the concept of script abuse and will at all times steer clear off of it and all the other illegal actions in the future if I am given another chance to be a part of the community.

[Klaus]

if you check a little before the logs of me stashing those crate you'll see there was a crate stashed there

I don't doubt that, in fact altogether there were around eleven or so crates stashed, all with senseless notes and no real reason other than to be used as a floating platform. As you stashed over two thirds of those, you beared the brunt for other players mistakes as well.

This makes it clear that it is no hiding that majority of the server takes things casually at times.

Taking things casually does not equal to allowing blatant script abuse. There is a line that you do not cross. Crates are not meant to float, but unfortunately due to script limitations this is possible. Does this mean we should turn a blind eye to players abusing this? Absolutely not. Players have been banned in the past for using the crate script for reasons not intended, and there had been multiple warnings regarding this initially but no surprise players refuse to listen until punishments are given. There is taking things casually and then there is taking the piss.

[Dance]

There is a line that you do not cross. Crates are not meant to float, but unfortunately due to script limitations this is possible. Does this mean we should turn a blind eye to players abusing this? Absolutely not.

I understand, and I completely agree with you. I deserved that. I should've been more careful and it could've been avoided. I will make sure I don't go blank in the future and am fully aware of what is right and what is wrong. My decisions in the future will never ever cause troubles, I will take special care of that. I promise you, if given a chance you'll never see me in this position ever again.

[Klaus]

I believe I have got my message across to you loud and clear, and not only you but anyone else who also shared your thoughts.

You've shown me you're capable of showing some initiative, so do so and do not be dependent on others. Think about your actions and what you're doing, and don't wait to be told something is wrong before you stop doing it. I don't expect to see you abuse any other scripts from hereon...

I don't see a reason to prolong this any further.

Unbanned