Nerf SAPD or buff Criminals

[Sinister]

As Khm mentioned earlier on, FBI has their own regulations towards weaponry (Unsure about SAPD). It is true that the SAPD and FBI gets the sniper for free but it's not a standard duty equipment's but rather classified as a heavy duty equipment which is only issued to certain Officer's/Agents in a major crime scene if deemed necessary and the snipers/heavy duty equipment's would have to be returned to their issuing officer/agent after the situation ends. Hence I don't really see a problem in equipping the SAPD/FBI with Snipers. Adding on, the FBI and SAPD are two separate agencies and not a division under SAPD or so, hence I hope you won't confuse the both as one.

[Kostas]

I haven't read what everyone said.

  About Barricated situations ... First of all ... when ever you go barricated you are basically trapping yourself... You can't escape the police in a building, you are simply giving us time to prepare ... 20-30 minutes as long as it takes. The point is to escape from us, run away. If you find yourself barricated because we caught you there, well fight back quick, don't let us prepare for it, use the element of surprise and fight back. If you wait, we will prepare, and we will get properly armed for it.
  It's only realistic that if you place yourself in a building IRL and the police knows, they'll gather the needed forces to storm you and "win".

  About weaponry and regulations. There are clearly regulations for both SAPD and FBI and what not. About the price of the weaponry being lower for the criminals ... seriously? Ammunations have close to no use, no one uses them. Everyone buys or crafts weapon cases and they have them accessible at any moment. You can literally make 100k which is more than our monthly salary within 3 hours/a weedfield. So money is not a problem.
  Do keep in mind that our heavy weaponry is only availlable to use for very certain situations. Our main weapons are: Deagle, Regular Shotgun, Mp5.

  And seriously just run... Be realistic, I have been a criminal for way longer than I have been in SAPD. Your job is to run, not to fight back, not to get barricated hoping to kill us all or something. In real life the number of individuals that actually fight back are at a seriously low percentage. And they are usually either stupid, or part of Cartels and Mafias and shit... And even then it's rare. Criminals run away. You want to beat us? Get a quick vehicle and be good at driving it, get on a boat and get lost. Our only tool to find you is /area which is way too generic. Use that fact to hide from us and keep on the move. And seriously you don't have to be a suspect so often. I have been suspected like what, 20 times since the start of RS5 back in December 2013...

[STALKER41]

  And seriously just run... Be realistic, I have been a criminal for way longer than I have been in SAPD. Your job is to run, not to fight back, not to get barricated hoping to kill us all or something. In real life the number of individuals that actually fight back are at a seriously low percentage. And they are usually either stupid, or part of Cartels and Mafias and shit... And even then it's rare. Criminals run away. You want to beat us? Get a quick vehicle and be good at driving it, get on a boat and get lost. Our only tool to find you is /area which is way too generic. Use that fact to hide from us and keep on the move. And seriously you don't have to be a suspect so often. I have been suspected like what, 20 times since the start of RS5 back in December 2013...

I am not dismissing the fact that criminals have a better chance at escaping, but I still don't see what role Criminal Score has in this case if we get punished for trying to evade. I did what any sensible criminal should have done yesterday and that was evading, two times. But now I feel there's no point in doing that if all the Notoriety I build up for days and days is just going to get removed.
There needs to be a better way of diminishing Notoriety from criminals, and I don't see how Criminal Score helps in that regard.

[Kostas]

I am not dismissing the fact that criminals have a better chance at escaping, but I still don't see what role Criminal Score has in this case if we get punished for trying to evade. I did what any sensible criminal should have done yesterday and that was evading, two times. But now I feel there's no point in doing that if all the Notoriety I build up for days and days is just going to get removed.
There needs to be a better way of diminishing Notoriety from criminals, and I don't see how Criminal Score helps in that regard.

Well I have to admit I am not completely aware of how the criminal score works. I was almost never caught or killed in action, I mainly had a full 10k noto for years.

[Khm]

  And seriously just run... Be realistic, I have been a criminal for way longer than I have been in SAPD. Your job is to run, not to fight back, not to get barricated hoping to kill us all or something. In real life the number of individuals that actually fight back are at a seriously low percentage. And they are usually either stupid, or part of Cartels and Mafias and shit... And even then it's rare. Criminals run away. You want to beat us? Get a quick vehicle and be good at driving it, get on a boat and get lost. Our only tool to find you is /area which is way too generic. Use that fact to hide from us and keep on the move. And seriously you don't have to be a suspect so often. I have been suspected like what, 20 times since the start of RS5 back in December 2013...

I am not dismissing the fact that criminals have a better chance at escaping, but I still don't see what role Criminal Score has in this case if we get punished for trying to evade. I did what any sensible criminal should have done yesterday and that was evading, two times. But now I feel there's no point in doing that if all the Notoriety I build up for days and days is just going to get removed.
There needs to be a better way of diminishing Notoriety from criminals, and I don't see how Criminal Score helps in that regard.

Criminal score is a system that was created with the start of RS5, the idea behind it I believe was to make people have some kind of a criminal record on them and the more notorious they are the more money they lose, then after a year or two the notoriety system came and since then they both were being used together. What kind of disadvantage did you experience from criminal score?

[STALKER41]

Criminal score is a system that was created with the start of RS5, the idea behind it I believe was to make people have some kind of a criminal record on them and the more notorious they are the more money they lose, then after a year or two the notoriety system came and since then they both were being used together. What kind of disadvantage did you experience from criminal score?

It's more the fact that the way the system works -- it just provokes criminals to not try to escape and instead die to cops. There's no point in escaping if you are basically getting sanctioned for it -- getting sanctioned for what should be the default objective of criminals when they are suspected. Criminals are left with no other conclusion to draw besides that it's just better to die when they've been /su'ed; Criminals aren't rewarded for their efforts to evade, they just get punished for it. Like I said ---

it has no chemistry with how the server presents the criminal career in my opinion.

I recommend just removing the notoriety penalty Criminal Score gives and instead increase notoriety loss for say every Notoriety level past 7 by 100 - 250 or something for each level.

I still can't see the justification for Sniper Cases being 50k. It's not like EVERY criminal under the sun is working together to make tons and tons of drugs.

[Stivi]

Criminal score stops criminals who just died to go on cop duty after death.

[Khm]

Criminal score is a system that was created with the start of RS5, the idea behind it I believe was to make people have some kind of a criminal record on them and the more notorious they are the more money they lose, then after a year or two the notoriety system came and since then they both were being used together. What kind of disadvantage did you experience from criminal score?

It's more the fact that the way the system works -- it just provokes criminals to not try to escape and instead die to cops. There's no point in escaping if you are basically getting sanctioned for it -- getting sanctioned for what should be the default objective of criminals when they are suspected. Criminals are left with no other conclusion to draw besides that it's just better to die when they've been /su'ed; Criminals aren't rewarded for their efforts to evade, they just get punished for it. Like I said ---

it has no chemistry with how the server presents the criminal career in my opinion.

I recommend just removing the notoriety penalty Criminal Score gives and instead increase notoriety loss for say every Notoriety level past 7 by 100 - 250 or something for each level.

I still can't see the justification for Sniper Cases being 50k. It's not like EVERY criminal under the sun is working together to make tons and tons of drugs.

Alright I just finished my exams, I will try to review the notoriety win/loss system and see what needs to be adjusted. Might also reduce the money lost from criminal score to half.