My open letter on how to solve some of these issues

[Stivi]

It all went downhill when some developers left and FredericK came on board, and then some even more out-of-the-loop developers came, and well...

[Hammer_]

It all went downhill when some developers left and FredericK came on board, and then some even more out-of-the-loop developers came, and well...

Not sure how Chase and Marcel were out-of-the-loop developers after FredericK?

[Mr. Goobii]

It all went downhill when some developers left and FredericK came on board, and then some even more out-of-the-loop developers came, and well...

Not sure how Chase and Marcel were out-of-the-loop developers after FredericK?

Marcel was fucking out of his mind. If he ever comes back (and I'm glad he's community banned) I'm out of this place.

[Hammer_]

It all went downhill when some developers left and FredericK came on board, and then some even more out-of-the-loop developers came, and well...

Not sure how Chase and Marcel were out-of-the-loop developers after FredericK?

Marcel was fucking out of his mind. If he ever comes back (and I'm glad he's community banned) I'm out of this place.

I personally was against Marcel, but he was a good developer. That’s all what I say, and I’m glad that he’s community banned as well because he was one of the reasons of the downfall of Argonath. I’m not sure if anyone else noticed, but the day he ruined rhe black market, most players walked out and he had nothing but bad comments for players who criticised his idea.

[Hammer_]

No offence to anyone, but take a look at this topic; https://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=124437.0
The managers back then didn’t even know what the developers were doing, and reading posts on that topic - Bennzy wrote “ppl dm when no admins ig, when we report on forums, nothing happens” I mean, I may have been a retard in that topic but I was only 13 back then so I didn’t know what I was talking about, but now I do. I clearly do, kind of where the issue started in the first place and that’s also when a new community started, which had active developer who brought out updates every week.

[Stivi]

No offence to anyone, but take a look at this topic; https://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=124437.0
The managers back then didn’t even know what the developers were doing, and reading posts on that topic - Bennzy wrote “ppl dm when no admins ig, when we report on forums, nothing happens” I mean, I may have been a retard in that topic but I was only 13 back then so I didn’t know what I was talking about, but now I do. I clearly do, kind of where the issue started in the first place and that’s also when a new community started, which had active developer who brought out updates every week.

Yeah that's 2018, SAMP shifted directions in 2013,

It all went downhill when some developers left and FredericK came on board, and then some even more out-of-the-loop developers came, and well...

Not sure how Chase and Marcel were out-of-the-loop developers after FredericK?

I don't mean all developers were out of the loop, but some certainly were.

Look at Badandy blaming Gvardia as if we, Soprano and Scotto weren't the ONLY players in RS5 back when he himself was playing in another community. Bless him. How do you solve this? We answered these questions on these topics before, a lot of times. You don't want to listen, well I won't play - but don't ask me why I'm not playing if you're not gonna listen to the answer.

[Badandy]

Look at Badandy blaming Gvardia as if we, Soprano and Scotto weren't the ONLY players in RS5 back when he himself was playing in another community. Bless him. How do you solve this? We answered these questions on these topics before, a lot of times. You don't want to listen, well I won't play - but don't ask me why I'm not playing if you're not gonna listen to the answer.

When did I blame Gvardia for anything except for recent behavior back in October by some of it's members or supposed members?

[Sawyer]

I personally was against Marcel, but he was a good developer.

Just a gardener surrounded by rocket scientists. 

The topic is only going to get worse, I'd suggest to make peace with what we have and patiently wait for the upcoming MTASA project.

[Huntsman]

This is how every single one of these topics ends up, and you guys still cherish hopes of any revival.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. Argonath is case in point.

[Stivi]

Look at Badandy blaming Gvardia as if we, Soprano and Scotto weren't the ONLY players in RS5 back when he himself was playing in another community. Bless him. How do you solve this? We answered these questions on these topics before, a lot of times. You don't want to listen, well I won't play - but don't ask me why I'm not playing if you're not gonna listen to the answer.

When did I blame Gvardia for anything except for recent behavior back in October by some of it's members or supposed members?

You see the contradiction on that or have you decided to compile a RICO case?

The point is, can you blame the players for being selfish / greedy / money-making NPCs, when there are money glitches on the server? The economy was shit from the get-go, and "we went bankrupt" at some point, but a narrative of "players should not be greedy, and just RP it" was implemented. That went well.

[TheRock]

A week late to the party, but oh well.

Why I stopped playing?

Most of my friends left, due real life responsibilities just like my case. Someone has to pay the bills, I'm no longer a teenager without house bills.
SA:MP has gotten old, we all grow up and our interests shift. I have an office job, at one of the top e-commerce companies among my country. I use a computer daily, 3 monitors, 8 hours per day, coding all day long. Whoever has worked in similar conditions knows very well, that after the shift, you just don't have any mood to use your personal computer. My eyes and my brain need to rest. But even at times that I do find some spare time to do so, I prefer playing Single Player games lately, due to the fact that it keeps me calm. I can't be arsed to deal with bs, I can't be arsed to join a server where people fight. Simply because I have no time to do that. I want to return home, occasionally hit the power button, sit on my couch, switch the xbox controller and enjoy a bit of gaming. Nothing less or more. Recently discovered that I hadn't used my personal computer for over 70 days, you can imagine why.

I can't recall a simple time that I re-visited this forum without seeing a topic about "WHAT WENT WRONG, HOW TO FIX THIS OR THAT" theme. And I'm really annoyed by that. I'm annoyed that Argonath is stuck at GTA Universe meanwhile not all servers are active. There are other games that could come handy. I just visited the forums and was greeted by an announcement saying "OH WOW LOOK AT III:MP", and yes, I googled it, and found nothing regarding. Looked back at the topic, and found a link to the mod website. Saw the forums of that "new" argo expansion. Meanwhile I read about expanding back to MTA:SA. What is the actual point of giving people status and building servers nobody asked for? Don't get me wrong on this one, but building a multiplayer server for a "community" but only having 10 people interested in it (Don't kill me for this one, but never have I heard about III:MP before.), it could be a friends project, and not a "WE NEED THIS SERVER" project. It's late and I am tired, my point is, SA:MP has died, it's just that some people don't want to let it go. It's doing more harm than already has done the last years after 95% of the playerbase abandoned this. I don't need to go on, for the reasons that people left. We were all here, we all saw it happening, yet we all stood with fingers crossed.

2 years ago during the covid quarantine, I gave SA:MP another chance, I played somewhere else with a group of people that I met here back in 2009. Had tons of fun. After a few events here and there, we decided to return here even if temporarily, to relive the thrill. The good old days. Hah, big No. We were greeted and forced into roleplaying into Fort Carson. In the desert. Why? Because someone (yes, you. I know you are reading this. ) chose that for the next attempt to revive the server, it would be only Fort Carson. Without asking anyone of the players that were left here, without nothing. Just saw a dream, OH LOOK. Let's force everyone into Fort Carson. Excuse me. What the actual ....! When I first started playing here, I stayed because of the freedom I had, the freedom to RP anything, the freedom to roam around map even solo, or with friends I made. So, when we returned, it was not the same. Let alone any e-possession I had was wiped for the 3rd, 4th or 197th time. Oh dear. When you destroy what people build in their precious time, don't expect them to come back. And no, I never cared for my "e-belongings", always donated away whatever I had, to people who could make use of them, more than my inactive self. This was it, I got fed up, deleted SA:MP and never looked back since.

As for Nathan, if it wasn't for me and somebody else you would still be community banned (yes, the first time.)
Take a chill pill mate, the constant leaving-comeback drama doesn't lead to anything.

Happy to see some old names still around, particularly some people who contributed to this thread.

“Your actions will always speak volumes louder than your words ever will!” – G Swiss

[Dutchy]

UwU

[Badandy]

I can't recall a simple time that I re-visited this forum without seeing a topic about "WHAT WENT WRONG, HOW TO FIX THIS OR THAT" theme. And I'm really annoyed by that. I'm annoyed that Argonath is stuck at GTA Universe meanwhile not all servers are active. There are other games that could come handy. I just visited the forums and was greeted by an announcement saying "OH WOW LOOK AT III:MP", and yes, I googled it, and found nothing regarding. Looked back at the topic, and found a link to the mod website. Saw the forums of that "new" argo expansion. Meanwhile I read about expanding back to MTA:SA. What is the actual point of giving people status and building servers nobody asked for? Don't get me wrong on this one, but building a multiplayer server for a "community" but only having 10 people interested in it (Don't kill me for this one, but never have I heard about III:MP before.), it could be a friends project, and not a "WE NEED THIS SERVER" project.

I'm working on the MTA SA project since I still like San Andreas as a game and it's fun for me to develop a server I have a vision for. Sure I could work on FiveM or other mods, which I have done but right now, I just want to work on this. There's not that many players interested but I'm also hoping to gain players from the existing base that MTA SA has. Even though those are not great chances, at the end of the day, I'm doing this because I want to do it. Sure it's a bit selfish and not thinking bigger picture of the whole community but that's what all the developers/leaders do. We are just doing what we like.

A note about SAMP. I developed the SAMP server for around 6 months and honestly got so burnt out with dealing with pawn and the SAMP architecture that I just didn't want to deal with it. I thought about moving to MTA SA but gave up on that too. I wasn't working on anything really, maybe thinking about working on something else and then Nathan brought up the MTA SA server and that peaked my interest again with starting it officially. I'm quite excited for it personally because it's going to be a lot different than the SAMP server in better ways. Encouraging player interaction and roleplay over pure grinding and money with new mechanics, creative freedom to players to experience.

[Sawyer]

(yes, you. I know you are reading this. )

Spoiler for Hiden:

Good to see you, Rockie. Unin says ante gamisou as I type this reply. 
ante gamisou = fuck off

[Huntsman]

Meanwhile I read about expanding back to MTA:SA. What is the actual point of giving people status and building servers nobody asked for? Don't get me wrong on this one, but building a multiplayer server for a "community" but only having 10 people interested in it (Don't kill me for this one, but never have I heard about III:MP before.), it could be a friends project, and not a "WE NEED THIS SERVER" project. It's late and I am tired, my point is, SA:MP has died, it's just that some people don't want to let it go. It's doing more harm than already has done the last years after 95% of the playerbase abandoned this. I don't need to go on, for the reasons that people left.

YES! Could not have said better myself