Argonath is dead

[Nylez]

Not sure if I'm stating the obvious, but toxicity has always been one of the reasons for the decline of Argonath.

Sorry I disagree with this. Ever since I joined VCMP in 2011, there has been toxicity in the community. People have come and gone due to it, but it has improved a lot of things too. We've always had good leadership which made sure we all knew how far we could go and plenty got punished when a line was crossed.

We've had our downspells but behind the scenes there were always these key members of the community who actively tried to keep us going. There have of course been feuds between even admins but in the end we all cared about the server and did our best for it.

People need to stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture, which is the wellbeing of the very thing they care about!

Having said that, I can definitely say that the VCMP section of Argonath is very much alive because of everything that has been done by everyone involved over here!

Toxicity can also be good because it creates a lot of different perspectives even though it isn't always brought in the correct way, as has happened for over 10 years. 

A world of it's own!

[Hammer_]

Not sure if I'm stating the obvious, but toxicity has always been one of the reasons for the decline of Argonath.

Sorry I disagree with this. Ever since I joined VCMP in 2011, there has been toxicity in the community. People have come and gone due to it, but it has improved a lot of things too. We've always had good leadership which made sure we all knew how far we could go and plenty got punished when a line was crossed.

People need to stop being selfish and start thinking about the bigger picture, which is the wellbeing of the very thing they care about!

Having said that, I can definitely say that the VCMP section of Argonath is very much alive because of everything that has been done by everyone involved over here!


A world of it's own!

That's your own view, but toxicity since 2018 has been the cause of many leaving as well, I'm mainly referring to Argo SA:MP, but that's my point too. Instead of people fighting each other, bashing one and another, if they would've worked together(like VC:MP team did), they would've brought the server back working together. Minor inconveniences happen, but toxicity like this would just drive one more of us out. Nathan is obviously frustrated, but if we all could work, in general to bring entire Argonath back, we could just make it.

[Badandy]

P.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.

Most of those 80 are probably bots.

[Hammer_]

P.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.

Most of those 80 are probably bots.

why do you all make my word mean nothing :/, what i'm just trying to say is even if that's bots or not, you don't know. I usually come on forums as a guest, how would a newbie feel by coming on forums and probably will be like "this is the way these people act like, it's a dead community and they're still busy fighting amongst themselves, let's go from here". if u wanna attract new players, whether SAMP, MTA, whatever, let's quit fighting and just bring about good suggestions from healthy discussions man

[Badandy]

P.S; There's over 80 guests online, and 2 users on forums, how will we bring Argo back when we aren't even able to attract those 80 guests on forums right now? They see us fighting, and find it pointless to even join a once great community.

Most of those 80 are probably bots.

why do you all make my word mean nothing :/, what i'm just trying to say is even if that's bots or not, you don't know. I usually come on forums as a guest, how would a newbie feel by coming on forums and probably will be like "this is the way these people act like, it's a dead community and they're still busy fighting amongst themselves, let's go from here". if u wanna attract new players, whether SAMP, MTA, whatever, let's quit fighting and just bring about good suggestions from healthy discussions man

You can always catch me on Discord.

[KenAdams]

Ahh shit.. Here we go again...

[Huntsman]

saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is. Didn't someone once say that you can't expect the server to be up or anything of the sort by having a small community within the community? Isn't this what SAMP did for a time in the community aspect? Which is also going on with VCMP right now? It seems to me that our community has turned into a nomadic group just changing their place of residence every once in a while - it's the same faces.

I am sorry, what are you talking about lol?

VCMP's current activity consists of people who always played VCMP before (VCMP regulars/veterans) and newbies coming from the general VCMP client playerbase. Janicch and Sawyer are the only former SAMP players I know who joined VCMP as substitute to inactive SAMP.

So literally half of your post is null because you assumed VCMP activity is some sort of fort carson like project. No, its not. Its the VCMP regulars/veterans coming back active to play. 

You miss the fact VCMP never really died. It always had short periods of low activity before coming back again. Due to a slightly different way and a more autonomous from the central HQ way of "life" we lead here, we were mostly immune to the issues plaguing rest of the servers.

[Kessu]

Janicch actually played VC:MP before he played SA:MP way back when I believe 

[Huntsman]

Janicch actually played VC:MP before he played SA:MP way back when I believe 

Ye, [WS]Sebastian 

[JayL]

Discourses of "decadence" and "need for rejuvenation" are useful for people with sexual impotence problems (also known as far-right or fascists), not for Argonath. We've had enough of this in the real world; let's keep it out of this one. Please.

[Klaus]

It's rather interesting seeing players who once mentioned how centralizing the community is bad(All of you Carson haters, I'm looking at you) saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is.

Kris, what are you talking about? Who is telling people to focus on VC:MP? Why not just play where you want to play and be happy? You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, but there isn't any such restriction. Players are free to play where they want. I know the SA server is under construction right now, but give it time and where possible help out. I've seen some people here who keep asking people on the forum to play VC:MP but they're just suggesting that from what I can see, why is that anything to do with centralizing or focusing the community? Maybe these comments were directed to someone in particular but it's not making sense.

Which is also going on with VCMP right now? It seems to me that our community has turned into a nomadic group just changing their place of residence every once in a while - it's the same faces.

there's a serious lack of new players, which in a way makes Argonath a "dying community".

without new people coming to replace them, any community is destined to die off.

I'm only bothering replying to these ridiculous statements because you decided to talk about VC:MP. If you're not referring to the VC:MP server then you should make that more apparent but anyway here's a news flash for you, the client nor server is dying. The "community" is very much alive, you'd only need to join the server or discord channel to see that. The amount of new registrations a day is on par if not more than previous years going back to this false idea that the years of 2009 or whatnot was the 'best ever'. No, not really, those years weren't anything more special than now, it must be nostalgia rather than actual facts for someone to think the server was better in 2009 than it is currently. If you want data on the actual client itself, then Thijn has plenty to prove that it's no different to years gone by.

is this attitude toward Nathan really the way? The man comes forward pointing at problems, you point a finger at him and start with personal attacks.

I'm not the one who started to make it personal, calling out every leader as being some useless twat as if we don't give a shit about the community. If someone wants to start pointing their finger at me, then fine, but I'll give them an answer they deserve. I have seen enough from Nathan to see he has zero idea what he's talking about and therefore needs to be told exactly that. If he's got a problem with that then he can grow a pair or just go do one. No one is complaining, in fact most people would rather he stop posting altogether from what I can see.

[TheGreasyChopper]

It's rather interesting seeing players who once mentioned how centralizing the community is bad(All of you Carson haters, I'm looking at you) saying how great of an idea to focus on VCMP is.

Kris, what are you talking about? Who is telling people to focus on VC:MP? Why not just play where you want to play and be happy? You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, but there isn't any such restriction. Players are free to play where they want. I know the SA server is under construction right now, but give it time and where possible help out. I've seen some people here who keep asking people on the forum to play VC:MP but they're just suggesting that from what I can see, why is that anything to do with centralizing or focusing the community? Maybe these comments were directed to someone in particular but it's not making sense.

I am simply referring to a previous comments that kept going on about how Argonath SAMP is dead and should be shut down, while we still had an active playerbase of around 15-20 people.
In no way does this focus on VCMP bother me nor do I wish to throw shade at it, I've said it countless of times - VCMP throughout the years, has been the only server where I could hop on and actually enjoy my time with the other players, regardless if we're talking Marsek(or whatever they were called), NAR, EAF or any other group of people. I'm just saying that when people say "the community is dying", we can't simply point our finger at VCMP and say "no, look at Vice, it's all good, don't worry about it".

I'm only bothering replying to these ridiculous statements because you decided to talk about VC:MP. If you're not referring to the VC:MP server then you should make that more apparent but anyway here's a news flash for you, the client nor server is dying.

I never wanted to take any jabs at VCMP, hell if I could find a way to run the game I'd join in every now and then to check on things. I'll be honest - my idea of saying what I said was to use it as bait - and the fish caught on  (won't even bother reeling it in though)

The "community" is very much alive, you'd only need to join the server or discord channel to see that. The amount of new registrations a day is on par if not more than previous years going back to this false idea that the years of 2009 or whatnot was the 'best ever

I have to admit I am basing my statement mainly on what I'm seeing on forums. I've left the Community Discord due to either the constant toxicity or overall mundaneness, honestly - it's the same 3-4 people over and over again. I have also left the rest of the Discords(VCMP, FiveM etc.) as I do not wish to break community rules, despite them seemingly being enforced only on myself.
(I'm looking at you Kessu, we've had the talk, no action was taken, I'm 99% sure nothing has changed since our last discussion). But then again, maybe there is an increase in Discord activity that I am not aware of, nonetheless the fact that the community is split into multiple Discord Servers, despite the presence of a general one is baffling me, as an observer it shows lack of unity.

I'm not saying Argo is dead, I'm not saying VCMP is bad, I'm just saying that it's not all flowers and baloons. Looking through the forums, catching up after my break, I see no new faces - I see no new groups, it's just the same old people that have been around for years:

Sure, we may have an X amount of people registering IG, on forums or anywhere, but lets not lie to eachother - there's a serious lack of new players, which in a way makes Argonath a "dying community".

They may register, they may stick around for a day or two, but they don't really stick around as long term members of the community, which can keep it alive and fresh with new ideas.

As for the attitude toward Nathan, once again - I understand where it's coming from, but it's seriously the same thing going over and over again for years. Sure, both sides have a personal issue with eachother it seems like that leads to people automatically assuming his points are not valid. Let's just remember that even a broken clock is right twice a day or something among these lines.

[Thom]

I think most people are passive irritated. They can't go on as long as they know the server is cared for by even a small number of people cause they can't completely kill it in them, I'm personally irritated that people go out of their way so much to complain about a past long gone.

Retrospect is useless, what is real is now, it's the number of people you see online and in-game interaction, not this forum. You don't go decorating a building that isn't built, go back to the basics, if you care: be a number again, all this negativity eats everything away including yourselves.

[Huntsman]

I agree with above.
Argonath as we know it is dead. Long dead. Nothing new was said about this topic.

The options this community has are:
- join the still active VCMP community
- create a "new" Argonath, with new ideals, new vision, using the upcoming MTA:SA and FiveM servers as the basis and start over so to say.
- look for potential outside the RP/RPG scene

[RastaMousey]

No it’s not lmao