Argonath 'pictures'

[Steve_Riptor]

There seems to be a lot of discussions about screenshots that are used as evidence in some cased, so here's the poll question:
Do YOU think screenshots are allowed as evidence and why do you think that?

[Abraham]

Depends on how they are used, I guess.

If it's used to screenshot the chatlog, and the the person taking the screenshot is near / lign of sight of the ones talking. It should be allowed yes If the person is taping it. Otherwise it's really not real proof.
If the one taking the screenshot has a microphone on himself, then it should be allowed, yes.

If someone is taking a screenshot as an evidence of dealing drugs, it should not be allowed.
If the person is using a camera + screenshot, it should be allowed.

It's all about what's realistic. If you have a microphone, do for example /me puts on microphone when you're getting ready to do w/e it is you're going to do.

I mean, you're using the screenshots for a RP court. then RP the screenshots aswell. Screenshots are mainly OOC, but if you take them in a RP way, it's a whole other thing.

[Steve_Riptor]

Depends on how they are used, I guess.

If it's used to screenshot the chatlog, and the the person taking the screenshot is near / lign of sight of the ones talking. It should be allowed yes If the person is taping it. Otherwise it's really not real proof.
If the one taking the screenshot has a microphone on himself, then it should be allowed, yes.

If someone is taking a screenshot as an evidence of dealing drugs, it should not be allowed.
If the person is using a camera + screenshot, it should be allowed.

It's all about what's realistic. If you have a microphone, do for example /me puts on microphone when you're getting ready to do w/e it is you're going to do.

I mean, you're using the screenshots for a RP court. then RP the screenshots aswell. Screenshots are mainly OOC, but if you take them in a RP way, it's a whole other thing.

What if people are using a hidden camera? That can't be roleplayed. Or should they just get the camera out and let the criminals see they are undercover?

[Abraham]

What if people are using a hidden camera? That can't be roleplayed. Or should they just get the camera out and let the criminals see they are undercover?

Someone else could be taking the pictures from long distance, and the undercover could take screenies of the chatlogs. Combine them = RP pictures of someone dealing drugs

Imagination is a beautiful thing

[Steve_Riptor]

In real life there won't be someone who can take pictures from long distance if the undercover person is in a building (and no, you can't alway see them from the outside).
And we should be able to have hidden camera's, because that is in real life as well.

[Abraham]

It's all about what's realistic. If you have a microphone, do for example /me puts on microphone when you're getting ready to do w/e it is you're going to do.

also, if someone is checking you for hidden cameras / microphones, your screenshots should not be valid.

[Steve_Riptor]

Yes, true, but that's something else. This is about screenshots being used as evidence and not about microphones..

[Abraham]

Yes, true, but that's something else.

No, it's not.

[Kitsune]

Someone else could be taking the pictures from long distance, and the undercover could take screenies of the chatlogs. Combine them = RP pictures of someone dealing drugs

Imagination is a beautiful thing

Unlike real life, it is much harder to take a picture of a drug deal or other illegal activity going on without being too far away to not see player names whilst not spooking the people involved. I think "hidden camera" is a good enough reason to make such a screen shot allowed to be used as evidence. Moreover, even if you could take photo's easier, "hidden camera" is still used in real life so it should still make the screen shot be allowed to be used as evidence.

[Steve_Riptor]

Yes, that's what I think too. Though there should be a screenshot too with the text of someone putting the hidden camera on/in their clothes.

[Abraham]

Yes, that's what I think too. Though there should be a screenshot too with the text of someone putting the hidden camera on/in their clothes.

Sight, read my post(s) again and you'll see that's exactly what I said, but I used a microphone as an example.

[Kitsune]

also, if someone is checking you for hidden cameras / microphones, your screenshots should not be valid.

With all the money the government is getting, I'm pretty sure the FBI can afford an undetectable bug. Besides, if that were true then people would always frisk a buyer so they would never get caught. It is way to easy to avoid having your photo taken during a deal, just go to a secluded place, without microphone or hidden camera, it would be virtually impossible to get evidence.

[Abraham]

With all the money the government is getting, I'm pretty sure the FBI can afford an undetectable bug. Besides, if that were true then people would always frisk a buyer so they would never get caught. It is way to easy to avoid having your photo taken during a deal, just go to a secluded place, without microphone or hidden camera, it would be virtually impossible to get evidence.

The undetectable bug thingy... that would just be over-doing roleplay, taking it one step too far... It's called Metagaming? or what is it?

I just gave a perfectly good example of how they can do it.
Photo + Chatlog = this.
Roleplay.

[Kitsune]

How is having a hidden bug metagaming?

[Abraham]

How is having a hidden bug metagaming?

Having a undetectable bug is. If someone is checking you for bugs they do it cause they don't "be feelin' you right" , they feel you're up to something. This means they will be going with a metal detector (or w/e they call it) checking you out.
This makes it harder for FBI to bust drug dealers, but not impossible.

Yet again, use your imagination.