[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Vitoo]

If the cop is not chasing you then you are NOT allowed to open fire. Even if the cop passes the suspect, the suspect should not fire at the police.
(Note: You are not allowed to engage police if you are not involved in same RP.)

Let me know if I'm right; the suspects are allowed to open fire towards police if:

• they have a wanted level and police engage on them ^__ by shooting or telling them to surrender;
• they have a wanted level and the police is preventing them from escaping ^__ by staying nearby so their wanted level doesn't go down;

People who don't have a wanted level are also allowed to open fire if a group member or an associate is being chased by the police and the same group member or associate requests helps and heads towards the group's property or if they're participating in the same roleplay scenario since the very begining but the police fail to suspect them.

[Slavik]

Let me know if I'm right; the suspects are allowed to open fire towards police if:

• they have a wanted level and police engage on them ^__ by shooting or telling them to surrender;
• they have a wanted level and the police is preventing them from escaping ^__ by staying nearby so their wanted level doesn't go down;

People who don't have a wanted level are also allowed to open fire if a group member or an associate is being chased by the police and the same group member or associate requests helps and heads towards the group's property or if they're participating in the same roleplay scenario since the very begining but the police fail to suspect them.

Yes, you are right

[Andy.]

If the cop is not chasing you then you are NOT allowed to open fire. Even if the cop passes the suspect, the suspect should not fire at the police.
(Note: You are not allowed to engage police if you are not involved in same RP.)

I'm sorry but this isnt Idlewood or anything its the middle of nowhere. The reason the officers went to that location was to hunt down the suspects, not to 'pass by'. If you are in the vicinity of the suspect, you are preventing his /rhl from decreasing. That is a threat to a suspect and  personally, I would consider engaging. Though, I would probably wait untill they stop their car, just to be sure that they are not 'just passing by'

Besides,

I'm patrolling with my friend and I'm actually tracking them down

[Pazienza]

The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...
So please do not start answer on questions in topic unless developers will not clear out their position.

If it wasn't clear enough already - if you are not a SA:MP developer, manager or a community leader / owner then do not answer questions in this topic. We want only "developers" to answer these questions so there is no confusion or debates.

[Antonio.]

Situation:

If a suspect has just /gu'd and a group of men kidnap him, CLEARLY RPing it, and the gu'd suspect complies and gets into their car (in this case the suspect was PUSHED into the kidnapper's car), do admins have the right to TP the suspect back and force him to comply with them and get jailed?

[Murt]

Situation:

If a suspect has just /gu'd and a group of men kidnap him, CLEARLY RPing it, and the gu'd suspect complies and gets into their car (in this case the suspect was PUSHED into the kidnapper's car), do admins have the right to TP the suspect back and force him to comply with them and get jailed?

Example situation:

A suspect has surrendered to police by using /hail, he is fully compliant and is in the police car on his way to be jailed. Some members of his family arrive, force the police car off the road and role-play a rescue scenario. As a result the player is freed and leaves the scene with his criminal accomplices.

The moment you signify your intention to surrender to police you must comply by server rule, even if properly role-played any escape after surrendering is against the rules.

[Brian]

Example situation:

A suspect has surrendered to police by using /hail, he is fully compliant and is in the police car on his way to be jailed. Some members of his family arrive, force the police car off the road and role-play a rescue scenario. As a result the player is freed and leaves the scene with his criminal accomplices.

The moment you signify your intention to surrender to police you must comply by server rule, even if properly role-played any escape after surrendering is against the rules.

What if both parties agree on the roleplay (The criminal side PMs the cop side explaining everything) Would it be allowed then?

[Antonio.]

Example situation:

A suspect has surrendered to police by using /hail, he is fully compliant and is in the police car on his way to be jailed. Some members of his family arrive, force the police car off the road and role-play a rescue scenario. As a result the player is freed and leaves the scene with his criminal accomplices.

The moment you signify your intention to surrender to police you must comply by server rule, even if properly role-played any escape after surrendering is against the rules.

This is no "escape". In the situation I mentioned, the group of men kidnapped the suspect just after the suspect gu'd, and didn't even get in the police cruiser. The suspect was pushed into the kidnapper's van.

One admin said it was fine, another one said it isn't. The admin who said it wasn't allowed got a manager to say it's not fine, meaning he overruled the other admin's decision, with the reason, as stated by the manager "you can't escape while gu'ing". The only problem here is, the suspect is not escaping, he's being kidnapped, thrown into car, and helpless as he is also cuffed.  Also, keep in mind that prior to the suspect getting arrested, he had nothing to do with the same group of men kidnapping him.

[Petarda]

What if both parties agree on the roleplay (The criminal side PMs the cop side explaining everything) Would it be allowed then?

Then they won't report eachother and have a nice roleplay without being punished for that.

[Zaila]

One admin said it was fine, another one said it isn't. The admin who said it wasn't allowed got a manager to say it's not fine, meaning he overruled the other admin's decision, with the reason, as stated by the manager "you can't escape while gu'ing". The only problem here is, the suspect is not escaping, he's being kidnapped, thrown into car, and helpless as he is also cuffed.  Also, keep in mind that prior to the suspect getting arrested, he had nothing to do with the same group of men kidnapping him.

Not allowed, since you had to comply with the police after using /gu and no one else should interfere. I know you and Cofi claims that Gandalf comfirmed this was allowed, but no one in HQ has ever heard it (not even CBF) so until we can comfirm it with Gandalf, we are gonna keep this stand point and say it's not allowed and this is not up for a discussion.

[Antonio.]

Not allowed, since you had to comply with the police after using /gu and no one else should interfere. I know you and Cofi claims that Gandalf comfirmed this was allowed, but no one in HQ has ever heard it (not even CBF) so until we can comfirm it with Gandalf, we are gonna keep this stand point and say it's not allowed and this is not up for a discussion.

My defense was that Teddy said it was allowed, nothing more. As for not complying to the police; I wasn't even cuffed when the group arrived, just a second or two before they forced me into their vehicle.

[Cofiliano]

Not allowed, since you had to comply with the police after using /gu and no one else should interfere. I know you and Cofi claims that Gandalf comfirmed this was allowed, but no one in HQ has ever heard it (not even CBF) so until we can comfirm it with Gandalf, we are gonna keep this stand point and say it's not allowed and this is not up for a discussion.

Oh CBF heard it alright. In case he doesn't remember, give him the link to this reply I'll refresh his memory:

It was 2 years ago I think, we manage to kidnap a surrendered suspect by ambulance close to Bone County, and the roleplay continued.
After we escaped we parachute to LSPD, and CBF said I quote: "This is the best roleplay I have ever participate" and he even gave a payday, cause of the mood he was in.

I'm sure he remembers this good enough.

And like Tony said, the suspect was not in the cop car, yet cause the cops were down on their guard, we manage to push him into the car. So its not like we made a barricade, waited for cops to arrive, then pew pew them and take a suspect out and kidnapped him.

[Stivi]

"Unwilling to RP, refuse to comply."

Since when is "unwilling to RP, refuse to comply" with a POLICE OFFICER a server-rulebreak ?

Player A is getting "trolled" by the best RPers in Argonath. Two cops.
( /me )LEO B pushes Player A's ass in. ( In, referring to inside the car. Note that LEO B was on driver seat while the above was RPed. )
Player A requests another officer to RP with him as he does not like LEO B's RP. ( This is allowed by ARPD  rules )

Is Manager C allowed to punish Player A for unwilling to RP, refuse to comply ?


I'm a bit frustrated so I might be able to give extra information later, if needed, when I'm calm.

[AK47]

[email protected]

[Stivi]

[email protected]

The topic is based on "Situations" and answers from DEVELOPERS...