[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Bundy]

My first question:

I'm in a car with a bunch of suspected friends, assisting them. Suddenly my RHL is done and I get unsuspected automatically. At the moment I lost my suspection cops were literally on our rear-bumper and we decided to open fire (drive-by), as they were too.

My weapons got removed by FlameMan and I got warned for copbaiting. I had a discussion with FlameMan about the situation and he told me as soon as my suspection was over, I had to literally jump out of the car and continue my own way in order to not get suspected. Now I asked another admin to confirm this, and he said it was complete non-sense.

I'm confused.

My second question:

You was suspected by a cop, as an admin was near to the situation we both get frozen and after a conversation the admin decides to unsuspect me as the reason was invalid.
Suddenly the cop, who apparently disagreed with the admin's decision, stand behind me, scrolls to a knife and writes down something similar to ''/me takes out a knife, sliths Bundy's throat''. I was fast enough and intercepted his knife-kill. As I felt attacked, I decided to defend myself and killed him. Mark was standing next to me throughout the whole situation.

A few seconds later I got ajailed by iMarkz for deathmatching. After a discussion and clarification of the situation Mark still decided to stay in his choice (Which I respect of course), with the reason that a kill has to be RP-ed, and my self-defence reason wasn't a RP one.
I decided to confirm the situation and asked another admin. He said I was correct and Mark was wrong.

I'm confused again.

[Gandalf]

What is the minimal thing a cop has to do so that it counts as engaging?

I have had numerous cases where I drive past a suspect and he starts blazing his guns at me and my police car usually ends up in flames. Even if I have no intention to engage on the suspect via verbal or physical actions does it still count as engaging? For example I drove to PnS without my sirens on with normal speeds and a man exiting from Idlewood burger shot (or was it pizza shack?) started shooting at my car and I ended up being killed.

The minimal thing a cop has to do is to be within visual range, not on the map but in game. If a cop sees a suspect, he should give attention to apprehending him. You can not expect a hunted criminal to ignore a cop coming near them.
On the other hand, if the criminal is not visible but was hiding (probably with a non-suspect friend outside) in order to shoot cops who come to repair their car, it is considered DM.

[Gandalf]

A question to the developers about the samp@argonathrpg.com email.
I have seen a lot of discussion about this, would like to get this cleared.

Is that email only to report Administration team members or can we also report players, who have done a major rulebreak, for example scamming, if no admins were online at that moment or the rulebreaker has left right after causing the problem?

It is possible to report a rulebreak, however it should not be used for every rulebreak that was not handled.
Scamming when admins were not reachable can be reported. Something like car rain hacks that cases a wide disturbance as well. If you get DMed, sending a mail is useless.

[Gandalf]

May I have the real answer about "Kill the DM'er to save your life"?

You can kill a DMer who shoots at you without reason or you can report them. Do not do both, as you may be seen as the attacker.
Also note that if a guy punches you it is not considered DM. Shooting back is only in self defense, hunting down the player when he runs away is considered DM from your side.
Finally getting suspected as result of killing a DMer is not reason to demand unsuspection from admins. Nor is it reason to go on a cop killing spree and then request investigation. If you get suspected as result of killing a DMer (or any other reason while playing a civilian) you go to the nearest PD or give up to the first cop appriaching you, and request investigation or jailing whatever you feel like depending on how much time you want to spend on getting unsuspected.

[Gandalf]

I'd like a honest answer and not for post hunt only...

Situation 1:
The suspect chose to run on a Squalo which is parked at Verona Beach pier,very close to the sand and you can easily jump to the boat and run. Cops will either shoot you while you try to escape, while some others jump on the scripted pier and take the PD boat,which is way slower than Squalo, and follow you to the sea. Of course a wise cop will get a team with him or only one team mate and the team or team mate will shoot you with heavy weapons. The boat will eventually explode if you don't run to Disney, or the other way around to, Mordor. What if the suspect choses to stay close and within the map limits ??

Situation 2:
The suspect chose to run on a Squalo which is parked at Verona Beach pier,very close to the sand and you can easily jump to the boat and run. A new cop will not take the PD boat but jump on the Squalo also. While other cops shoot at you the only solution is running to heroin spot and eliminate the cope there, but from point A(verona pier) to point B(Heroin island in LS) the cop in your boat would have exploded your Squalo cause Squalo lose a lot of /carhp when they get hitted bu bullets, If you have armor you can live but if not you're dead as well as the cop.

/report ID Carsurf might work, but admins will say they didn't saw it...  This is very understandable , why would the boat else explode ? I'd like something fair for both sides criminals and cops...

Players are not allowed to carsurf in order to attack another player. Cops are no exception.

[Gandalf]

Situation:

If a police officer approaches an idle suspect and warns him to give up, is the officer allowed to start using non-lethal force on the suspect i.E Fists or pepper spray? Is the officer allowed to continue this until the suspect dies? Because I believe the suspect has more than enough time to /gu before dying and it is his fault for not /gu'ing after getting the warnings,

There are several scenarios possible here. First of all the main priority of the cop is to arrest a suspect alive. This means that killing a suspect is a last resort.

1. Suspect does not react at all
The suspect could be AFK. In that case report to admins.

2. Suspect reacts but does not want to cooperate or fights back
It is allowed to use force until the suspect complies or is killed.

3. Suspect initially complies, then refuses cooperation
Try to engage in roleplay, if the suspect remains unable force is acceptable.

The target of the cop should always be to take the suspect in alove, there for as long as the suspect does not fight back he should take the time more than once to ask if the suspect 'had enough'. As you can see the health of the suspect, there is no reason not to stop on low health and ask to comply.

[Gandalf]

Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?

As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.

A cop on a bike has no alternative to damage another vehicle as shooting at it by driveby. This is why a cop on a bike is the only who is allowed to use driveby as driver, and only on other vehicles.

[Gandalf]

Cops fail to suspect the civilians who are obviously aiding (example: driving a suspect or sitting next to him). Cops are looking forward to an easy kill by not suspecting the aiders and getting them in a problem if they do protect a friend (suspect).
Coming out of nowhere and shootibg is not allowed, but being together with the suspect and not getting suspected, is that cop's fault or our?
I got punished by FlameMan because he didn't suspect me (the situation explained above was the one I've been in).

Driving a suspect or sitting next to him is not obviously aiding. There is a possibility that the civilian is forced to drive by the criminal or being kidnapped.
As long as the civilian does not use violence towards the cops or threatens to do so, he is to be considered civilian and not to be suspected.

[AK47]

As soon as you are near a suspect you get sued for aiding.

[Gandalf]

Would like a clarification...

Shooting from boat, while someone is driving it, considered as carsurf or no ? Is it allowed ?

It is considered as carsurfing.

[Gandalf]

Is drive-by people on foot permitted, if you're not a cop? As far as I can tell, it's only been an SAPD/ARPD restriction, and even then it's permitted if you have no time to get out of the vehicle. Apparently there's been some confusion regarding it, so I'd love a clarification! <3

Driveby as driver is only allowed if you are a cop on a bike and have no other option to damage the vehicle you are pursuing.
When in/on a vehicle you always have the option to create distance in order to get out in time.

[Gandalf]

So, I'm payed in a RP way, not /sethit, to kill a guy... The guy refuses to RP with someone who has a mask and Gun on his hand... the criminal warns the man, the man dies without RP from his side. I take my other half of money and a tempban too... Valid ?

The hitman script was created to avoid players Dming under the guise of being a paid hitman. Avoid it at risk of punishment.

[Gandalf]

Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself without any script to respawn? i.e Drowning, falling from a cliff, getting car killed, etc?

Is it a rulebreak to kill yourself using /kill?

Dying or killing yourself is only a rulebreak if you use it to get out of a situation (example:being suspected) or as fast teleport.
In all other situations you can kill yourself as many times as you want. Contrary to real life where you can use it only once.

[AK47]

Dying or killing yourself is only a rulebreak if you use it to get out of a situation (example:being suspected) or as fast teleport.
In all other situations you can kill yourself as many times as you want. Contrary to real life where you can use it only once.

All though, when I was parachuting from Star Tower and died instead of doing a land, an admin told me "Continue and recieve a warning".

[Gandalf]

I want answer of this.

Q1.   If you were afk in your house, is this rule breaking ???
Q2.   In meanwhile when you afk maybe someone pmed you for CMB test or something and you not reply to him cause you were afk   so you get kicked from server for bieng afk ???

It has already been answered by mail.

In principle being AFK is not punished unless you are hindering other players or the server is full, as it does not give you any advantages. However as it does use resources of both your computer and the server, you may be kicked any time while being AFK.