[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Gandalf]

When handling a hit, can a hitman call his friends for assistance as long as the victim knows they're assisting the hitman. Can a hit contract be done RPly and without the command /set hit being used given th victim knows the reason he's being attacked for?

Once a hit has been set, the victim can use friends to protect him and the hitman can have friends helping him for a diversion. However to receive the money the hitman is the only one who can execute the kill.

It is possible to RP a hit contract. However the victim should be informed and given time to counter the contract, as well the contract should end when either the hitman or the victim dies.

[Lincoln.]

Stivi Luciano joined the server and spawned in Las Barrancas as a suspect. He called us to pick him up so the cops do not catch him while he's on foot.
Acika, Pro Rules, me and a few more members respond to his call, and when we have arrived there, we picked him up. There was 1 cop nearby, but none of us opened fire on him, not even the cop did.
Acika got warned for cophunting and provoking.
Could you explain me how was he cophunting?

[Luis.]

Hello there,
Got a question, that I'd like it to be answered.

Q: Is it legit the use of Hydras and Hunters against criminals, who only have Combat, M4, e.t.c.?

Arguments:
- Hydra and Hunters are highly stong, and almost impossible to shoot down with Combat, M4, e.t.c....
- They are Aerial Vehicles, so they can easily move out of there if they are about to fall.
- If nobody can own a RPG and minigun, why are these vehicles allowed to?

 :ps: I don't know if this is the right topic to make this question. Direct me to the right topic if it isn't, please.

[Gandalf]

My first question:

I'm in a car with a bunch of suspected friends, assisting them. Suddenly my RHL is done and I get unsuspected automatically. At the moment I lost my suspection cops were literally on our rear-bumper and we decided to open fire (drive-by), as they were too.

My weapons got removed by FlameMan and I got warned for copbaiting. I had a discussion with FlameMan about the situation and he told me as soon as my suspection was over, I had to literally jump out of the car and continue my own way in order to not get suspected. Now I asked another admin to confirm this, and he said it was complete non-sense.

I'm confused.

My second question:

You was suspected by a cop, as an admin was near to the situation we both get frozen and after a conversation the admin decides to unsuspect me as the reason was invalid.
Suddenly the cop, who apparently disagreed with the admin's decision, stand behind me, scrolls to a knife and writes down something similar to ''/me takes out a knife, sliths Bundy's throat''. I was fast enough and intercepted his knife-kill. As I felt attacked, I decided to defend myself and killed him. Mark was standing next to me throughout the whole situation.

A few seconds later I got ajailed by iMarkz for deathmatching. After a discussion and clarification of the situation Mark still decided to stay in his choice (Which I respect of course), with the reason that a kill has to be RP-ed, and my self-defence reason wasn't a RP one.
I decided to confirm the situation and asked another admin. He said I was correct and Mark was wrong.

I'm confused again.

1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.

2. As there was an admin standing next to you, you should have waited for him to take action against the cop. That way he would have gotten the punishment instead of you.

[Gandalf]

All though, when I was parachuting from Star Tower and died instead of doing a land, an admin told me "Continue and recieve a warning".

As soon as you are near a suspect you get sued for aiding.

This is not a discussion topic, nor it is to be used to make sniping remarks about other players or administration.
If you feel that administration makes an error, you are to give the situation, exact time and date and send this to [email protected]
Similar if you feel that ARPD officers are transgressing their regulations, you can discuss it at the ARPD forum.

Polluting the topic with remarks as this is useless and might get you punished.

[Gandalf]

Stivi Luciano joined the server and spawned in Las Barrancas as a suspect. He called us to pick him up so the cops do not catch him while he's on foot.
Acika, Pro Rules, me and a few more members respond to his call, and when we have arrived there, we picked him up. There was 1 cop nearby, but none of us opened fire on him, not even the cop did.
Acika got warned for cophunting and provoking.
Could you explain me how was he cophunting?

Impossible to answer this without a logs. Be sure to have time and date it happened and report to [email protected]

[Lincoln.]

1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.

2. As there was an admin standing next to you, you should have waited for him to take action against the cop. That way he would have gotten the punishment instead of you.

FlameMan punished me as well for the same reason, I was inside the vehicle with 3 suspects, I lost the wanted level a few minutes before them, but I was still a part of the evading, but I've been told that I should have jumped out of the vehicle and head to the other side. Since I had no any arguments against that, the next day, when I got unsuspected, I jumped out of the car, and my friends kept going, but all of the cops who were after us, stopped and suspected me for aiding, and of course, killed me without even giving me a chance to surrender.
As I have noticed, the only admin who's enforcing this kind of actions (to leave the car/building once you get unsuspected) is FlameMan, I guess you should explain him that part since I think he's making a mistake. If he is not, I'll apologize to him.

Impossible to answer this without a logs. Be sure to have time and date it happened and report to [email protected]

I cannot give you the exact time, but it was around 13:30 server time, today. Could you check that without me sending the e-mail?

[Gandalf]

Hello there,
Got a question, that I'd like it to be answered.

Q: Is it legit the use of Hydras and Hunters against criminals, who only have Combat, M4, e.t.c.?

Arguments:
- Hydra and Hunters are highly stong, and almost impossible to shoot down with Combat, M4, e.t.c....
- They are Aerial Vehicles, so they can easily move out of there if they are about to fall.
- If nobody can own a RPG and minigun, why are these vehicles allowed to?

 :ps: I don't know if this is the right topic to make this question. Direct me to the right topic if it isn't, please.

The amount of players who have access to a Hydra or Hunter is very limited. Also they have regulations which prohibit use against someone who is speeding only.
If a criminal is either engaging them in any way, or has been for an extended period of time causing losses to the law enforcement, they can be taken out by a Hydra or Hunter.
If you see them approach, you will have enough time to surrender should you not want to die.

[Gandalf]

FlameMan punished me as well for the same reason, I was inside the vehicle with 3 suspects, I lost the wanted level a few minutes before them, but I was still a part of the evading, but I've been told that I should have jumped out of the vehicle and head to the other side. Since I had no any arguments against that, the next day, when I got unsuspected, I jumped out of the car, and my friends kept going, but all of the cops who were after us, stopped and suspected me for aiding, and of course, killed me without even giving me a chance to surrender.
As I have noticed, the only admin who's enforcing this kind of actions (to leave the car/building once you get unsuspected) is FlameMan, I guess you should explain him that part since I think he's making a mistake. If he is not, I'll apologize to him.

I cannot give you the exact time, but it was around 13:30 server time, today. Could you check that without me sending the e-mail?

Flameman is correct, however the second situation seems once again odd. If you were far away enough to lose your wanted level, what reason did you give cops to re-suspect you ?
If you are no longer with the other suspects and not waving weapons at the cops, they have no reason to re-suspect you as they have failed to be close enough to apprehend you in time.

But once again note that this topic is not meant for specific happenings, but for general explanations.

[Bundy]

1. If you get unsuspected when cops are on your bumper it is a script error that should be reported. The RHL should stop when cops are near you, which means you either are not giving a correct situation or you need to report a script bug.

2. As there was an admin standing next to you, you should have waited for him to take action against the cop. That way he would have gotten the punishment instead of you.

1. Well somehow my RHL was over while I was drive-bying a cop behind us. So I don't know if it was bad luck or just a scripting error.

2. If I waited too long the cop would of killed me for sure, which is a shame as I was carrying weapons which would not get refunded.

[Gandalf]

2. If I waited too long the cop would of killed me for sure, which is a shame as I was carrying weapons which would not get refunded.

Your choice to carry the weapons. Your choice to kill the cop. Your choice to act in a way that deserved punishment. 

[Mr. Goobii]

There is a lot of questions related to "Criminal vs Cops" or verse, my question, is argonath made to have a big role caring suspects and cops, I mean, are the staff promoting this?

It feels like this going on constantly, all the time and I would like to have a answer if Argonath vision is made upon being a lightweight version of cops and robbers?

[Gandalf]

There is a lot of questions related to "Criminal vs Cops" or verse, my question, is argonath made to have a big role caring suspects and cops, I mean, are the staff promoting this?

It feels like this going on constantly, all the time and I would like to have a answer if Argonath vision is made upon being a lightweight version of cops and robbers?

Argonath never was and never will be a cops vs robbers server. However as many payers seem to suffer a lack of creativity they often do not find other ways of interacting with each other as by violence or helping friends.

For those arriving from other servers the style of Argonath which is skin-based rahter than character-based is often confusing. The possibility to one moment play a Jimmy Hendrix type, then change skin to a businessman and next play a police officer to conclude the day as granny is odd for those who were forced elsewhere to assume a single character and stay with it.

[AK47]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask or anything (and this question is for G).

Why did you open Argonath? Why have put so much effort and money too make this? What do you "get" when you run Argonath?

[Stivi]

Joy!