[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Gandalf]

A large group of criminals come to you and ask for a large sum of money or otherwise they will kill you? They just start counting till 10 till you give the money and than they kill you, they don't respond anything else during the counting and kill you when it is over. Can this be considered as DM or a forced RP? Would this be acceptable or not?

It depends on the reason why they did this. If they arrived without any prior history or reason why they would ask it, then it would be considered DM.
If however your group has a feud with them because of prior actions and you are on their territory it is something you might have expected to happen.

[Lincoln.]

The problem with you was that you lost the wanted level and about 1-2 minutes later, when some cops appeared behind your friends' car, you (already as a civilian) opened fire on the cops.
I think I explained clearly, that you run from the cops (and successfully evade) not to get suspected again, do you? But obviously you forgot to mention that in your situation report above :P

Why I am not allowed to open fire on the cops who are following the vehicle in which I and my suspected friend are (I'm a civilian)? We aren't split up, we are in the same vehicle which is dangerous since the suspect is inside, the cops SHOULD expect that we might open fire. If I decide to open fire, then I'm obviously aiding, how come is that considered as DM? It's the same if the cops suspect a guy inside his HQ, as Gandalf said, they should expect not to get attacked by the rest of the group (mafia). It's the same thing as being in a car, am I right?

[Gandalf]

Why I am not allowed to open fire on the cops who are following the vehicle in which I and my suspected friend are (I'm a civilian)? We aren't split up, we are in the same vehicle which is dangerous since the suspect is inside, the cops SHOULD expect that we might open fire. If I decide to open fire, then I'm obviously aiding, how come is that considered as DM? It's the same if the cops suspect a guy inside his HQ, as Gandalf said, they should expect not to get attacked by the rest of the group (mafia). It's the same thing as being in a car, am I right?

Evading the cops until your wanted level is removed is one of the ways to end a roleplay, just as is being killed or being jailed.
As soon as your RHL expires you are no longer part of the roleplay, and there for it is not 'legal' to aid them in any way, including opening fire.

In theory, you should leave the group however that opens the problem that you may be standed in the middle of nowhere. For this the discussion here has been moved to a topic to create workable solution.

[Lincoln.]

Can you please explain me what kind of proof do you need to take action?


I have given the following proofs, which obviously weren't enough to the administrators:

[Gandalf]

Can you please explain me what kind of proof do you need to take action?


I have given the following proofs, which obviously weren't enough to the administrators:

Can you tell me WTF you are asking?

[Petarda]

1. Are cops allowed to chase suspect in non PD vehicle like NRG or Infernus?

2. I heard that shooting with big ping to make advantage over others is not allowed, is that true?

[Bundy]

Can you tell me WTF you are asking?

He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.


A question: Are non-cops allowed to aid cops in chasing a suspect (shooting, drive-by etc.) or would that be DM?
Keep in mind there was no RP involved, just plain blue chasing orange.

[Brian]

Hi Peter, I know I am not a management member but I would love to give my answers on it.

1. Yes they are, but it all depends on the rank of this person. If they are in the SAPD then the answer is no. If the player is ARPD, or in a certain division it is allowed

2. Argonath is free to play for everyone, so no that is incorrect. You are allowed to shoot with any ping, just remember. Dont use programs to get a higher one, admins can detect that. Hope I helped out!

He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.

A question: Are non-cops allowed to aid cops in chasing a suspect (shooting, drive-by etc.) or would that be DM?
Keep in mind there was no RP involved, just plain blue chasing orange.

AFAIK thats DM, and he got killed thrice by the way.

[Gandalf]

1. Are cops allowed to chase suspect in non PD vehicle like NRG or Infernus?

2. I heard that shooting with big ping to make advantage over others is not allowed, is that true?

1. Yes

2. Personally I believe that players should be fair in their game. If a player has a high ping, he will become hard to kill and this can cause unfounded accusations.
On the other hand, if a player does what he can to keep his ping and lag as low as possible (closing all other programs that use bandwith) by itself there should not be reason to disallow fighting.
Players that however try to influence their ping and lag artificially in order to 'win' can be banned for that if it is proven.

[Lincoln.]

Can you tell me WTF you are asking?

I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?

Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.

You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?

[Gandalf]

He got killed twice by two people of the same group in a row, I guess.

If he gave evidence in the same way he asked, no wonder admins did not reply... 

A question: Are non-cops allowed to aid cops in chasing a suspect (shooting, drive-by etc.) or would that be DM?
Keep in mind there was no RP involved, just plain blue chasing orange.

Only if they have been given special permission by the present law enforcement to do so. This permission is given on a situation-base only, and once the situation for which permission was given ends, so does their permission.

[Bundy]

I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?

Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.

You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?

I think Janek couldn't prove they killed you twice in the same situation. It could've been that you got killed by the first Scotto member first, and in abother RP got killed by the second member. Which is of course very unlogical, but yeah..

[Lincoln.]

If he gave evidence in the same way he asked, no wonder admins did not reply... 

That has no point. I gave them the evidence just after I reported, told them who to /crime. I did not write anything else than /crime ID in admin's PM.

The way I asked has nothing to do with the situation.
I am not forcing you to like the way I'm asking, but it has nothing to do with their response. Even if I did act kinda rude, they should have replied. If I was rude, I'd understand then, but I can guarantee that I have just provided them the proofs in PM with the text "/crime ID" and nothing more.

I think Janek couldn't prove they killed you twice in the same situation. It could've been that you got killed by the first Scotto member first, and in abother RP got killed by the second member. Which is of course very unlogical, but yeah..

Three RPs could not happen in less than 10 minutes. Yeah, as you said, very unlogical.

[Kojak]

I ASKED what kind of proofs do you guys need to take action on something which is OBVIOUS?

Do you need a video with the logs and possibly what they were speaking on TS/Skype while that was happening? This obviously isn't enough for an admin to take action, you can see from the SS.

You did not understand me for the first time, my question is: What's the proof that you need in these kind of situations?

What we need is a complaint with enough detail such as dates and times so it can be checked, your screen shot shows you have been killed three times by three different people all in the same group which suggests possible revenge killing but the screen shot does not prove it; for example the screen shot does not show whether you attacked them first. So for us to establish rule breaking on their part we would need to a complaint from you, sent to samp@argonathrpg.com, with details of the event at which point we can properly check.

Regarding the response of admins in-game, this will vary depending on the number of admins are present and the amount of players online. There is no guarantee that reports to admins in-game will be resolved to your satisfaction 100% of the time.

[Lincoln.]

What we need is a complaint with enough detail such as dates and times so it can be checked, your screen shot shows you have been killed three times by three different people all in the same group which suggests possible revenge killing but the screen shot does not prove it; for example the screen shot does not show whether you attacked them first. So for us to establish rule breaking on their part we would need to a complaint from you, sent to samp@argonathrpg.com, with details of the event at which point we can properly check.

Regarding the response of admins in-game, this will vary depending on the number of admins are present and the amount of players online. There is no guarantee that reports to admins in-game will be resolved to your satisfaction 100% of the time.

Even if I attacked them first, they shouldn't kill me for 3+ times (the guy who had 4 stars on the SS killed me 3 times, plus those two guys), I respawned at the same place where the shootout occurred (My house), I moved to the side, but that was not enough for them, nor was the PM they got that I already died.
I do understand that the response of the admins vary, I am not expecting them to spectate everybody and react immediately, but I have reported them after the first time they killed me, three admins could have seen the next 4 kills, they had around 2-3mins.
Since they didn't, they were obviously busy, and I have nothing to say about that. When an admin PMed me about the case I reported, I provided him the information and he still couldn't take any action.
My question is WHY?
This proof isn't enough to see that they have DMed me several times?



P.S. I am not reporting any administrator, I'm just asking a general question based on the situation.