[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Antonio.]

I would like to know whether or not shooting someone or a vehicle from on top of a vortex, while a driver is IN the vortex allowed? I was in a situation just few minutes ago where the police were giving all they had in order to arrest or kill me. I was fleeing on a boat, and in order for me to shoot, I had to exit/re-enter the boat. After a few losses from their side, a vortex comes with one police officer on top and of course a driver. The one on top shot my boat down WHILE the driver was still in the vortex, and while it was still moving. Pancher was present with a helicopter and said it was allowed because "the vortex was not moving".

1) While going even just 50 km/h with a vortex, you have no chance of completely stopping it within 5-10 seconds.
2) EVEN if it was stopped, they still have an advantage because unlike myself, they don't have to enter/re-enter to shoot, so it's basically car surfing.
3) A vortex is not a boat.

That's all, please give a reply ASAP.

[Marcel]

I'm not a SA:MP Developer, but a quick search turned up this:

Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.

Hi all

This post relates to "car surfing" which is standing on top of a moving vehicle.

Part 1: Engaging in combat while car surfing is prohibited. Car surfing itself is allowed, but you may not engage others in combat while doing it. The reason for this is it would allow the use of highly unrealistic and imbalanced weapons platforms that would be extremely difficult to counter.

Part 2: Police may not attempt to catch a suspect by car surfing on top of the suspect's vehicle. This means that not only are police not permitted to do damage to a suspect's vehicle while car surfing on it, but they also may not stay standing on the suspect's vehicle while the suspect is attempting to escape in it. The reason for this is because doing so gives the suspect no chance to escape.

Thank you.
Kojak

[Kostas]

Okay in fact I would like to know what the right action in a situation is .

So I am growing my weed and about two minutes have passed and I know that in a bit the weed will pope out . A guy comes and totally fails to RP and simply stands at the spot and obviously presses all the time /harvestweed . Now I from my side am unarmed so pretty much taking him down with my fists will take long enough for him to steal my weed . So what do I do? I ask him to leave and such and he simply keeps ignoring and trying to take the weed .

Also I would like to know what should I do when I do have a weapon . So I can kill him but he totally fails to RP , and ignores my tries to scare him away .

[Vitoo]

Okay in fact I would like to know what the right action in a situation is .

So I am growing my weed and about two minutes have passed and I know that in a bit the weed will pope out . A guy comes and totally fails to RP and simply stands at the spot and obviously presses all the time /harvestweed . Now I from my side am unarmed so pretty much taking him down with my fists will take long enough for him to steal my weed . So what do I do? I ask him to leave and such and he simply keeps ignoring and trying to take the weed .

Also I would like to know what should I do when I do have a weapon . So I can kill him but he totally fails to RP , and ignores my tries to scare him away .

I got one question related to this as well.

I'm at a weed spot and plant one seed - this guy shows up and simply runs around and types /harvestweed continuously to steal my weed.
The question is; is he allowed to steal my weed with no interaction or roleplay at all or is it considered a rulebreak?
I have seen a lot of people saying it is allowed and some other people it isn't.

Thanks in advance.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Okay I have a similar question too. Happened to me so many times.

I go and roleplay stealing weed. Take out my gun, aim at the guy and ask him to leave or I'll shoot him.
He fails to roleplay at all, stands there and spams harvest weed.
Or simply scrolls a combat and shoots without roleplay.

Is the lack of roleplay on his part, both when shooting or when spamming harvestweed allowed?

Also, if he fails to comply with me and just stands still, can I kill him?

[Kojak]

Okay in fact I would like to know what the right action in a situation is .

So I am growing my weed and about two minutes have passed and I know that in a bit the weed will pope out . A guy comes and totally fails to RP and simply stands at the spot and obviously presses all the time /harvestweed . Now I from my side am unarmed so pretty much taking him down with my fists will take long enough for him to steal my weed . So what do I do? I ask him to leave and such and he simply keeps ignoring and trying to take the weed .

Also I would like to know what should I do when I do have a weapon . So I can kill him but he totally fails to RP , and ignores my tries to scare him away .

The first thing you need to remember is that if you are growing drugs you have chosen a high risk trade that is likely to place you into direct, often unwanted, contact with the criminal underworld of San Andreas. As such I would never advise anyone to embark on such a career without some form of protection such as back up or making sure you are armed.

The second thing is that you cannot know that he is typing /harvestweed so until he actually takes it he has not stolen anything from you. In the event of him stealing your weed you are fully entitled to defend your investment and if that leads to combat then so be it.

Let us assume you are armed and capable of defending yourself and someone arrives at your location while you are growing weed, he does not speak or interact with you in any way. It is a safe assumption that he intends to steal from you. However if you open fire on him as soon as he arrives without any interaction you are deathmatching. But if you engage in role-play when he arrives, such as acknowledging his presence and asking what he is doing there and he still does not respond in any way it is acceptable for that situation to escalate.

To avoid a possible breach of the rules I would advise you to take out one of your weapons to show him you are armed, if he still does not respond I would aim at him and tell him you believe he is there to steal from him and you will use force if he does not leave. If there is still no response from him I would hit him a few times to show him you are serious and then, if he still fails to acknowledge your presence or leave the area it would be acceptable to engage him in combat.

If you follow that and are reported for deathmatching by the other player, the admin who deals with it will not treat you as a deathmatcher. It is up to you to make sure your actions cannot be considered deathmatching so if you do not follow that way and simply attack anyone who arrives without role-playing the situation you are likely to face admin intervention.

I got one question related to this as well.

I'm at a weed spot and plant one seed - this guy shows up and simply runs around and types /harvestweed continuously to steal my weed.
The question is; is he allowed to steal my weed with no interaction or roleplay at all or is it considered a rulebreak?
I have seen a lot of people saying it is allowed and some other people it isn't.

Thanks in advance.

Stealing weed is not prohibited by server rule. But anyone doing it should know they have taken a major risk and placed their own life in danger by doing so; if a player steals another player's weed and is attacked in response, that attack will not be considered deathmatching.

Okay I have a similar question too. Happened to me so many times.

I go and roleplay stealing weed. Take out my gun, aim at the guy and ask him to leave or I'll shoot him.
He fails to roleplay at all, stands there and spams harvest weed.
Or simply scrolls a combat and shoots without roleplay.

Is the lack of roleplay on his part, both when shooting or when spamming harvestweed allowed?

Also, if he fails to comply with me and just stands still, can I kill him?

Firstly if the extent of your role-play is telling someone to leave and then killing them when they do not, you should expect to find yourself on the receiving end of an admin's punishment. We do not require long drawn out, detailed role-play but if all you are doing is killing people when they don't leave on your instruction then we will consider what you did to be excessive and unreasonable behaviour.

As far as him failing to respond is concerned, if he wishes to ignore you and continue to harvest his weed he may do so, but as I said above he should expect hostile competition when growing drugs and it is therefore not reasonable for him to expect to be able to grow weed without risk. If in the situation you described he produces a weapon and attacks you, this would be acceptable because you have clearly announced your intention to steal his weed and have even threatened to kill him.

[Kostas]

Answer about my post

Okay about going unarmed im cool.

About not knowing that he is typing /harvestweed . Well it needs just common sense to understand that when a guy comes and sits near you and doesn't speak at all or move he is trying to take your weed . How? with /harvestweed.

The whole Roleplay to assure that my weed is not stolen takes much more time than I have at that time . And what if he steals it before the RP is done and he gets killed? He ends up dead? Well by ending up dead he doesn't lose anything . So he only spawns back to his spawn spot(possible even his house) and gets away with my weed .


As you understand your answers aren't really a solution as almost all the times the Stealer will get away with just a simply death , which will probably be nothing for him (if he is unarmed for sure).

Therefore I would like to know if there is any better solution , to make sure that I don't lose my weed but at the same time keep obeying all the Argonath RPG Rules.


Thanks in advance.

[AK47]

Please refrain from answering questions here. This is for SA:MP development team including devs, managers, community leaders and the owners - Teddy.

[Teddy]

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[Kojak]

As you understand your answers aren't really a solution as almost all the times the Stealer will get away with just a simply death , which will probably be nothing for him (if he is unarmed for sure).

Therefore I would like to know if there is any better solution , to make sure that I don't lose my weed but at the same time keep obeying all the Argonath RPG Rules.


Thanks in advance.

No, there is no better solution. What you want is risk free drug growing, I'm afraid we do not offer that. The only way to ensure that no one steals weed from you is to not grow it.

[Kostas]

No, there is no better solution. What you want is risk free drug growing, I'm afraid we do not offer that. The only way to ensure that no one steals weed from you is to not grow it.

I do not ask resk-free weed growing . I just wish that there were some special rules maybe for such situations ... like if a RP starts on the drug spot nobody is allowed to collect until one of the two parties leaves the scene(even if he dies or simply choses to leave/run away) . When I see two people over a drug spot spamming /harvestweed .... The last thing that comes in my mind is that im playing on an RPG Server . Something should exist for such cases , and I am impressed that it doesn't.

[Antonio.]

Shooting while surfing any vehicle is prohibited. Even if its a camera.

I'm guessing this is the answer to my question.

[Kojak]

I do not ask resk-free weed growing . I just wish that there were some special rules maybe for such situations ... like if a RP starts on the drug spot nobody is allowed to collect until one of the two parties leaves the scene(even if he dies or simply choses to leave/run away) . When I see two people over a drug spot spamming /harvestweed .... The last thing that comes in my mind is that im playing on an RPG Server . Something should exist for such cases , and I am impressed that it doesn't.

Well there are no special rules, and wishing for them won't change that. If you plant a seed in the ground there is nothing within the rules stopping someone from grabbing it and running off when it has grown, except you if you can be bothered to defend your investment using role-play, but as you said...

The whole Roleplay to assure that my weed is not stolen takes much more time than I have at that time

This is a role-play server, we're not going to create rules to help people not role-play.

[Servius]

Why don't all admins act the same? Should they? I don't know, but sometimes players can feel unpleasant as I've been in those situations sometimes.

[KhornateMonkey]

Why don't all admins act the same? Should they? I don't know, but sometimes players can feel unpleasant as I've been in those situations sometimes.

Define what you mean by "act the same", this could mean many things(it'll make it easier for devs to answer your question)