[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Servius]

Define what you mean by "act the same", this could mean many things(it'll make it easier for devs to answer your question)

_{Alright, here's an example:
As far as I know, using ELM as civilian is prohibited, when I've seen guy doing it, I reported and waited for admin to respond. Moment later, admin PM's me with something like "It is allowed to use it, don't report for that.", so I though, okay, I won't argue with him proving he's wrong, so I did it myself. I went off duty, and drove around with turned ELM on as civilian. Some time after that, at the event space, there was "Using ELM as civilian is not allowed" or something like that. This is what I meant, or that all admins should have same way at looking at something. One time, I've been told something like "All admins don't act same", but I think they should, so it is more comfortable for players.}

[Kojak]

Why don't all admins act the same? Should they? I don't know, but sometimes players can feel unpleasant as I've been in those situations sometimes.

Admins have intentionally been given broad discretionary authority over the server to ensure they are forced to think about a situation before acting on it. If they all had a strict set of rules telling them exactly how every situation must be dealt with which could not be deviated from there would be no thought or consideration to their actions.

This would cause mistakes to be made because they are not properly thinking before acting, and would also create a huge turnover of admins because they would quit regularly due to boredom. Having flexibility in their approach allows them to make fair decisions that are suited to the situation.

A possible downside for a player is a lack of consistency as two admins issue different punishments for the same offence; what you will find however is that admins generally do not want to issue punishments at all and often only do so after a player fails to listen. For that reason you can ensure consistency yourself by not forcing an admin's hand when he is dealing with a situation.

_{Alright, here's an example:
As far as I know, using ELM as civilian is prohibited, when I've seen guy doing it, I reported and waited for admin to respond. Moment later, admin PM's me with something like "It is allowed to use it, don't report for that.", so I though, okay, I won't argue with him proving he's wrong, so I did it myself. I went off duty, and drove around with turned ELM on as civilian. Some time after that, at the event space, there was "Using ELM as civilian is not allowed" or something like that. This is what I meant, or that all admins should have same way at looking at something. One time, I've been told something like "All admins don't act same", but I think they should, so it is more comfortable for players.}

This isn't so much a case of admins acting differently, this is a misunderstanding about the rules. It happens from time to time and if you send me a forum PM with the date you made that report I will check it and make sure that admin is giving the correct information in the future.

[Kostas]

This is a role-play server, we're not going to create rules to help people not role-play.

I am starting to believe that you didn't really read my post . I gave an idea about how more RP could be made out of this as at the moment many people simply choose to spam /harvestweed . I spoke about a "rule" that would not allow anybody to harvest the seed while a RP was taking place on it . So if a guy passes by and without RP at all spams /harvestweed while ignoring me for like 1 minute and leaves . He will have to put it back and RolePlay or leave.

If you think that my idea is about helping people not role-play. Then I simply give up on trying to get anything better . I clearly am a totally fool person if my idea is doing what you said....

[Kojak]

I am starting to believe that you didn't really read my post . I gave an idea about how more RP could be made out of this as at the moment many people simply choose to spam /harvestweed . I spoke about a "rule" that would not allow anybody to harvest the seed while a RP was taking place on it . So if a guy passes by and without RP at all spams /harvestweed while ignoring me for like 1 minute and leaves . He will have to put it back and RolePlay or leave.

If you think that my idea is about helping people not role-play. Then I simply give up on trying to get anything better . I clearly am a totally fool person if my idea is doing what you said....

I read all your posts thoroughly, including the first one which was you asking if you can kill people who try to steal your weed and I answered yes providing you use role-play. This isn't "Developers Answer, Then You Argue If You Don't Like Them", you asked a question and you have your answer.

[Kojak]

I would like to know whether or not shooting someone or a vehicle from on top of a vortex, while a driver is IN the vortex allowed? I was in a situation just few minutes ago where the police were giving all they had in order to arrest or kill me. I was fleeing on a boat, and in order for me to shoot, I had to exit/re-enter the boat. After a few losses from their side, a vortex comes with one police officer on top and of course a driver. The one on top shot my boat down WHILE the driver was still in the vortex, and while it was still moving. Pancher was present with a helicopter and said it was allowed because "the vortex was not moving".

1) While going even just 50 km/h with a vortex, you have no chance of completely stopping it within 5-10 seconds.
2) EVEN if it was stopped, they still have an advantage because unlike myself, they don't have to enter/re-enter to shoot, so it's basically car surfing.
3) A vortex is not a boat.

That's all, please give a reply ASAP.

I won't comment on the situation itself but I will give you a clear answer to your question. Carsurfing while shooting on any vehicle is prohibited by server rule; that includes cars, boats, planes trains or hovercraft.

The rule is designed to prevent vehicles being used as mobile weapon platforms, therefore there is no stipulation that the vehicle has to be moving for it to be considered carsurfing. It comes down to intent on the part of the player, here are two examples:

Example 1
Five guys are on the back of a flatbed all armed with combats, they drive up to a player's car and open fire on it, but just before they do so they bring the flatbed to a stop. That would still be considered carsurfing while shooting and is prohibited because the intent of the players is to use the vehicle as a mobile weapons platform.

Example 2
There is a shootout between two guys and during the course of the shootout one jumps on the hood of a vehicle, that happens to have a random player sitting in the driving seat, and opens fire on his opponent. That would not be considered carsurfing while shooting because there was no intent to use the vehicle as a mobile weapons platform, just an elevated position to shoot from. If the vehicle began to move however he would have to stop shooting or jump off or he would be guilty of carsurfing while shooting whatever his original intent was.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Please tell me if these two situations are allowed.

1) Suspect escaping on a boat. He notices cops on a boat behind him. At full speed, he presses eject so his player moves out of the driving seat. The boat starts slowing down, but yet still moving. The suspect uses this time frame to shoot the cops. After a few rounds when the boat is a bit too slow, he presses f, gets in drivers seat and speeds off. Continues this in an attempt to shoot cops and evade.
During the time of his shooting, his vehicle was moving and not stationary. It takes a while to come to a halt because the suspect isn't using brakes and let's the friction stop the boat.


2) 2 Cops trying to stop a suspect on a boat. The cops coordinate, the driver presses the brake, brings the boat to a halt, and the other cop shoots him while the boat is slowing down. After a few rounds, one cop stops shooting, and the driver starts driving.

[Kojak]

Please tell me if these two situations are allowed.

1) Suspect escaping on a boat. He notices cops on a boat behind him. At full speed, he presses eject so his player moves out of the driving seat. The boat starts slowing down, but yet still moving. The suspect uses this time frame to shoot the cops. After a few rounds when the boat is a bit too slow, he presses f, gets in drivers seat and speeds off. Continues this in an attempt to shoot cops and evade.
During the time of his shooting, his vehicle was moving and not stationary. It takes a while to come to a halt because the suspect isn't using brakes and let's the friction stop the boat.


2) 2 Cops trying to stop a suspect on a boat. The cops coordinate, the driver presses the brake, brings the boat to a halt, and the other cop shoots him while the boat is slowing down. After a few rounds, one cop stops shooting, and the driver starts driving.

1) no because shooting while carsurfing is not allowed.

2) no because shooting while carsurfing is not allowed.

[SugarD]

What is the new IP of argonathRPG?

Depends on the server. SA:MP uses either samp.argonathrpg.com or world.argonathrpg.com. All other servers use world.argonathrpg.com.

[Petarda]

Am I allowed to flip unused cars with my monster truck?

[Thomas 'Leroy' Crof]

As far as I'm aware, it's not allowed by anyone to drive-by from a car (as a passenger, but neither is it allowed for the driver of course) to a person. Meaning, if someone is in a car, he may not shoot at someone that is not in a vehicle.

I've seen a lot of people ignoring this rule (a lot of _Stracci to be honest) and I was wondering what was up with the rule.

[Kojak]

Am I allowed to flip unused cars with my monster truck?

There is no rule that says you cannot do this; but if an admin determines it is causing unnecessary inconvenience, annoyance or potential harm to other players then he will intervene. In all cases, if you are seen doing it and an admin instructs you to stop you must comply.

As far as I'm aware, it's not allowed by anyone to drive-by from a car (as a passenger, but neither is it allowed for the driver of course) to a person. Meaning, if someone is in a car, he may not shoot at someone that is not in a vehicle.

I've seen a lot of people ignoring this rule (a lot of _Stracci to be honest) and I was wondering what was up with the rule.

Drive-by shooting a player who is on foot is not prohibited by server rule with two conditions; firstly you are in the passenger seat (*see exception) and secondly the shooting itself is justified, i.e. it is part of a legitimate role-play attack or an attempt to escape an attack from another.

Either the vehicle is in motion in which case a degree of skill is required to aim accurately while drive-bying or the vehicle is stationary in which case anyone drive-bying is more vulnerable than they would be if they were on foot themselves.

To be clear this is the answer as it relates to the rules of the server, if you are a member of the APRD or other official law enforcement you should check your own internal regulations on the subject.

*exception to drive-bying as a driver - Police officers may use drive-by shooting as a driver to stop a suspect when there is no other way to stop him, this typically means when they are on a police bike pursuing a suspect in a vehicle and there are no accompanying officers in other vehicles and back up is not forthcoming.

[Def Perry]

An admin just mentioned the following rule:

If you escape while your friend is still suspected, you are supposed to leave him.

This is not correct, right?

[Cyril]

An admin just mentioned the following rule:

If you escape while your friend is still suspected, you are supposed to leave him.

This is not correct, right?

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=96950.0

[Def Perry]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=96950.0

Could you please give me the answer? I don't really have time to go over 16 pages of discussion.

[Thomas 'Leroy' Crof]

The first reply in that topic:

If you lose your wanted level, i.e you succesfully escape, then you have to leave the car and can't aid anymore.