[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Gandalf]

Very common situation : Cars in a chase. Situation : Cop : This is your 5th car in this chase.  Criminal : No this is my 3/4th car !
Question : Any tip for knowning how many cars ? How should an admin react if the complaints keep going ? etc...

If admin is not sure, spectate. Sometimes it will take 15-20 minutes of spectating a chase, but it is the only way.

[polopolo]

I am not sure if this is an problem for the admins, but from the people I talked some days, I got this in mu head:

An maffia gang RP's that they blow up the FBI, they e-mailed the FBI director that they blowed it up, with the names of the witnesses and some screenshots. The FBI director ignores and continues with publishing it

Question: Is this allowed, does admin have an role in this. Or is this simple something what can be ignored?

[CBFasi]

situation: a kidnapper hides with hostage in his own business, he can set the entrance fee as high as he want.. so when the police enters he will get lot of money.


question: Can the criminals hide in own business ?

+note: If not... the players can also abuse this if they go a friend's business.. and in the end they share money

My personal view is no as they are doing 2 things.

1. Hiding inside while criminal, if they lock police cannot do anything, and it become an admin matter to get the guy out
2. Abusing script, as the only way anyone can come in to try and resolve the crime is to pay them.

I would warn under this situation, if no reasponse kick.

Of course this will change once /sturm is fixed

[Gandalf]

My personal view is no as they are doing 2 things.

1. Hiding inside while criminal, if they lock police cannot do anything, and it become an admin matter to get the guy out
2. Abusing script, as the only way anyone can come in to try and resolve the crime is to pay them.

I would warn under this situation, if no reasponse kick.

Of course this will change once /sturm is fixed

Hostage situations.

1. The criminal is not wanted. He can not be suspected as he is inside his busness. This basicly is a waiting game. Cops should not want to solve this in 2 minutes, just let the guy sit in his business with the hostage and take turns on waiting outside. Then the guy has two options. One is killing the hostage, after which he must leave his business and run or give up. Second is letting the hostage go and camping until cops do no longer wish to suspect him.

2. The criminal is wanted. He is not allowed to stay in interior, with or without hostage.

[Aragorn]

situation: Many civilians starts protesting next to the LSPD at Commerce district. The Argonath Police Department goes on the scene, and asks to protestors to leave the road, and stop the illegal activities. Mean while as admin, i lock the event with announce : no more players allowed to join to "Protesting RP" . After that, all protestors got suspected for "disobeying police orders, illegal protesting" , then the Police assaults the mass with using only baton and all protestors killed or arrested. After all, some player tries to start again and get together the protestors. I as admin, warned them to do not start it over, becuase that role play is ended, this is RPG server not Protesting RP nor Civil war RP server. Those players whos refused to follow my order, was kicked. Then the server life went to normal bed.

question: can i lock RP events/situation to dont join more players, so aviod the chaos and DM // same with Kidnapping RP, when more and more civils want to join as kidnapper when the police already blocked the area

The chaos starts cos cops begin act anf use force almost immediately... In this situation cops should organize themselves... First of all all police force should stay on a distance while the situation will not be clear... One-two officers should ask for the leaders of protesters... After that they ask simple questions like "What do you want?" "what are your demands?"... Depends from the answer cops should act lately...
1. asking the high level admin to arrive to listen to protesters... Result: Ok guys, I will send your protest to mr.President if government can help you... (protest stopped)
2. telling the protesters that the high government people do not present on server (city) yet, so the one who can listen to protesters - some police forces... (protest set to later time)
3. Suspect all protesters and arrest if starts riot... (protest aka RIOT is eliminated)
4. Use propaganda making points on patriotic feelings (we do not ask for taxes, we want you to unite with police to fight the law breakers)... (protest turns into support)

From what I saw police does not use such roleplay at all and already treats protesters as enemies...

[Aragorn]

An maffia gang RP's that they blow up the FBI, they e-mailed the FBI director that they blowed it up, with the names of the witnesses and some screenshots. The FBI director ignores and continues with publishing it

Question: Is this allowed, does admin have an role in this. Or is this simple something what can be ignored?

Usual mistake of roleplayers... If one group does not want "rp" suggested by other group - they have all rights on ignore...
Solution: find the roleplay which will be interested for both sides and accepted by both sides...

MULTIPLAYER roleplay is based on this golden rule: event which is good for different groups/teams on server... If you will follow the events on server you will see at once which events are more popular - those who are forcing in taking part (hitman, terrorists, hostages) or those who are made out from playing and friendly treatment to each other (DD, swimming, parachute jumps)... So be more careful with the law enforcements in roleplay... Not every "I will blow you!" or "I will kill you!" will be accepted... Especially if it is based on bad attitude to each other...

[Emilio_Barzini]

Situation :
A cop gone undercover and went to a casino and when he discovered that they are drug dealers he took off his gun and arrested the dealers and cuffed Them and while they are doing /exit at the casino they get out and the criminals run ignoring that they are cuffed , then the officer goes on duty and Suspect the dealers (As they ran away in a non rping way) , and the criminals start flooding that coming on duty from under cover and suspecting the Target is not allowed , what is right to do in that situation ?

[Gandalf]

Situation :
A cop gone undercover and went to a casino and when he discovered that they are drug dealers he took off his gun and arrested the dealers and cuffed Them and while they are doing /exit at the casino they get out and the criminals run ignoring that they are cuffed , then the officer goes on duty and Suspect the dealers (As they ran away in a non rping way) , and the criminals start flooding that coming on duty from under cover and suspecting the Target is not allowed , what is right to do in that situation ?

See above reaction of Aragorn.

[Emilio_Barzini]

You mean the both sides thing ? when he poor rped it i left him and went away then he kept pming me "sorry for poor rp i am not in mood etc..." then he Came in front of me with drugs so i had to suspect him and he kept moaning about "going on duty and suspect is not allowed " .

[Gandalf]

You mean the both sides thing ? when he poor rped it i left him and went away then he kept pming me "sorry for poor rp i am not in mood etc..." then he Came in front of me with drugs so i had to suspect him and he kept moaning about "going on duty and suspect is not allowed " .

Any discussion or accusation of 'poor RP' can lead to kick or ban when you meet me. Similar with moaning.

[Aragorn]

You mean the both sides thing ? when he poor rped it i left him and went away then he kept pming me "sorry for poor rp i am not in mood etc..." then he Came in front of me with drugs so i had to suspect him and he kept moaning about "going on duty and suspect is not allowed ".

"Going on duty and suspect is not allowed "

And he is right...
Undercover cops are usually investigate the criminal groups to get the time of deals... When the time is clear there sent police forces to arrest the dealers... In your case you could get into casino as UC cop... When you saw - there is a drug deal you could request the support of police forces... Police arrives, blocks the doors, if needs - sturms the casino...

In your case they would really not understand that you were UC cop... What if you are not? Try to see from other side...
You are making a drug deal and Aragorn sees it... Aragorn goes out, driving to Police Department, getting cop's skin and weapons, suspects you... Can you guarantee the 100% it was not abuse and "poor rp" of Aragorn?

About "poor RP"...
Ask yourself when people are "poor RP-ing"...

1. When you think you RP better (your own opinion)
2. When they are new and learn in game (not enough knowledges)
3. When they have no mood on global rp and just came on server to relax with some friends (disturbed)
4. When they are doing admins work and do not want to take part in roleplay (forced)
5. When they have no enough time and hurry to do some their own deals on server (buying selling)
6. When they cannot roleplay without script (no imaginary)

In your case this guy apologized (reason: p.3)... If you would not let him go as you did, but start demand something, accusing him in poor RP and etc. the situation could be worst...

[The_Wolf]

Situation:

The police chases a suspect who evaded for a long time any maybe murdered someone. They catch him and tell him to face the ground etc. Then they start shouting at him etc.

Question:
Are we allowed to say hard words like "Bastard" or "F**ker" , or we should stick to ", sir .. " ?

Example:
"Face the ground, bastard"

[Gandalf]

Situation:

The police chases a suspect who evaded for a long time any maybe murdered someone. They catch him and tell him to face the ground etc. Then they start shouting at him etc.

Question:
Are we allowed to say hard words like "Bastard" or "F**ker" , or we should stick to ", sir .. " ?

Example:
"Face the ground, bastard"

Rules for cops are not different then for other players. Swearing and flaming is allowed only limited to RP. Remember that in real life if you violate a suspects rights, he could go free of charges and all your work would be in vain. If it was a long chase and the suspect was taunting the cops 'Face the ground, bastard' would be acceptable though. Stronger words do not fit the vocabulary of the police. For this he has his nightstick.

[The_Wolf]

So I guess we should stick to sire  :razz:

[Emilio_Barzini]

"Going on duty and suspect is not allowed "

And he is right...
Undercover cops are usually investigate the criminal groups to get the time of deals... When the time is clear there sent police forces to arrest the dealers... In your case you could get into casino as UC cop... When you saw - there is a drug deal you could request the support of police forces... Police arrives, blocks the doors, if needs - sturms the casino...

In your case they would really not understand that you were UC cop... What if you are not? Try to see from other side...
You are making a drug deal and Aragorn sees it... Aragorn goes out, driving to Police Department, getting cop's skin and weapons, suspects you... Can you guarantee the 100% it was not abuse and "poor rp" of Aragorn?

About "poor RP"...
Ask yourself when people are "poor RP-ing"...

1. When you think you RP better (your own opinion)
2. When they are new and learn in game (not enough knowledges)
3. When they have no mood on global rp and just came on server to relax with some friends (disturbed)
4. When they are doing admins work and do not want to take part in roleplay (forced)
5. When they have no enough time and hurry to do some their own deals on server (buying selling)
6. When they cannot roleplay without script (no imaginary)

In your case this guy apologized (reason: p.3)... If you would not let him go as you did, but start demand something, accusing him in poor RP and etc. the situation could be worst...

You still talking about another point , i left him and went on duty and he kept saying in pm "sorry for poor rping i am not in mood" and i think he felt bad About what he did so he came infront of me at GS9 and rped that he is using drugs and i was on duty at this time , he wanted me to suspect him and i Was on duty when he used the drugs .

And btw Aragorn i want to tell you something , i agree that no one can be forced to rp but you can't rp half of it and say that you are not in mood Either take it or leave it , at least that's my opinion and i don't think my rp is better than anyone or i am better than anyone at the end we are all equal No one is better than the other .