[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[NitrOx]

So it's not allowed to do /ad for groups? And is it abuse or not?

[adam_stevens]

Today Deejay told me i am not allowed to have entrance fee of 1998. He says i am scamming new players. What fee is allowed then and how the heck am i supposed to know what is allowed and what not. I have always thought that i can have whatever fee i want since server has set the max fee of 2000. PLENTY of people have high entrance fee so am i supposed to report everyone who has high fee now? And instead of telling us to change fee coz its "scamming" how about just change max fee then?

[Gandalf]

Can I use /ad to promote a gang? If yes - if i didnt know and report an admin who did it - Can he directly /warn me with; Read the rules, or should the Admin explain it by PM? Is that abuse or not abuse?

- NitrOx

It depends on the ad. Ads are not allowed for illegal things. There is no mafia that puts an ad in the newspaper or on TV.
/ad is meant to be used for anything that you would advertise on radio, TV or newspaper.

[Gandalf]

Today Deejay told me i am not allowed to have entrance fee of 1998. He says i am scamming new players. What fee is allowed then and how the heck am i supposed to know what is allowed and what not. I have always thought that i can have whatever fee i want since server has set the max fee of 2000. PLENTY of people have high entrance fee so am i supposed to report everyone who has high fee now? And instead of telling us to change fee coz its "scamming" how about just change max fee then?

Any entrace fee up to 2000 is allowed, provided the new players can see the entrance fee. However you should remember that new player only get 10.000.
If you have a shop where they have to visit frequently, it would be considerate to put a low entrance fee not to make new guys bankrupt.

[JayL]

Situation 1: Player X goes and attempts to RP knocking player Y out and then beating him. Then, player Y scrolls to an AK47 and starts shooting player X, ruining the whole RP instead of taking it along.
Question: Ruining RP via metagaming, powergame, non-rp and such is an existant admin-punishable offence?


Situation 2: Player 20 is a regular and is outfront LSPD. A new player comes and starts DM'ing or carjacking him. Player 20 uses /trip and /tickle on the new player to avoid it.
Question: If an administrator sees it, is he allowed to punish not just the new player but Player 20 also?


Situation 3: AAA and BBB are criminals and are escaping from police togheter. Then, the police kills AAA. Some minutes of pursuit and AAA comes back after getting killed by police and again starts aiding BBB in escaping from cops, and end getting suspected again. Like in a war of group VS police and the group members keep coming back to fight after getting shot down.
Question: Is that admin-punishable?

[Pandalink]

I would punish for the third only - you may not return after dying as a criminal.

Metagaming.. powergaming.. eh.. all that crap is not Argonath and it not admin punishable. We're not Valmooseha .
Personally I would tell the regular in Situation 2 not to do that in future, but to be honest I would not punish for it severely in any way.

What do Developers say? :o

[TruthSvensson]

If my friend got a hit and gets killed by hitman and i see hitman kills my friend,Can i attack him to take my friends revenge? Or is it Revenge killing? And can admins Freeze players for Deathmatching in this situation? if not some admins should learn this

[Pancher]

If my friend got a hit and gets killed by hitman and i see hitman kills my friend,Can i attack him to take my friends revenge? Or is it Revenge killing? And can admins Freeze players for Deathmatching in this situation? if not some admins should learn this

This might be the answer cos the situations is almost the same..:

First question in another case:

Example;

In a mafia situation.

• Mafia1
• Mafia2

A member in Mafia1 kills another member in Mafia2, can the remaining members in Mafia2 come back and shoot/torture and having them in a RP way, to take Mafia1 down? Obviously in a RP way.
Or will that be counted as gang war/revenge killing?

Answer that shoud fit ur questions and also answer for this above, think the mafias as ur friend as mafia 1 and a hitman as mafia 2..:

I do not understand till the end what means Gang War in a Roleplay way... However...

1. Depends on reason Mafia1 kills a member of Mafia2...
2. Depends on reaction of Mafia2... If they agreed it was not just pure deathmatch killing (attacking without a reason), they can organize the answer...
3. Depends on how was killed Mafia2 member... If suddenly and without warnings, then Mafia2 has problems in answer attack, as other Mafia1 members can have no clue about what happened and consider actions of Mafia2 as team deathmatch... In case Mafia2 was killed after warning, Mafia2 can also give a warning to Mafia1 before answer attack...

What can be suggested... There are two ways...

1. Mafia2 makes appointment to Mafia1 and at the meeting clear up the situation with killing member... At the meeting can happen everything - from paying compensation to Mafia2 to the fight between two Mafias...
2. Russian Mafia way: Mafia2 can make a meeting of all gangs leaders on server who have authority including the famous criminals who have some connections with the government (admins) and Mafia1 Leader as well... At the meeting they explain the situation and criminals "in Law" (authority criminals) can give the resume to the situation from mafia1 paying compensation to Mafia2 or Mafia2 has all rights to punish Mafia1...

In this case advantage is clearly: either both Mafias solve problem with money, or both Mafias go prepare to fight, which they can organize far from spawn positions...

[JayL]

Situation 1: Player X goes and attempts to RP knocking player Y out and then beating him. Then, player Y scrolls to an AK47 and starts shooting player X, ruining the whole RP instead of taking it along.
Question: Ruining RP via metagaming, powergame, non-rp and such is an existant admin-punishable offence?


Situation 2: Player 20 is a regular and is outfront LSPD. A new player comes and starts DM'ing or carjacking him. Player 20 uses /trip and /tickle on the new player to avoid it.
Question: If an administrator sees it, is he allowed to punish not just the new player but Player 20 also?


Situation 3: AAA and BBB are criminals and are escaping from police togheter. Then, the police kills AAA. Some minutes of pursuit and AAA comes back after getting killed by police and again starts aiding BBB in escaping from cops, and end getting suspected again. Like in a war of group VS police and the group members keep coming back to fight after getting shot down.
Question: Is that admin-punishable?

I would punish for the third only - you may not return after dying as a criminal.

Metagaming.. powergaming.. eh.. all that crap is not Argonath and it not admin punishable. We're not Valmooseha .
Personally I would tell the regular in Situation 2 not to do that in future, but to be honest I would not punish for it severely in any way.

What do Developers say? :o

I'm not saying that we need to be a RLRPG server and make admins give a 60 minutes ajail for metagamers and powergames... But... That DOES ruin a RP situation for sure, and ruining RP is against rules, so shouldn't it be punishable?

And, well, I mostly use /tickle and /trip on a carjacker / DMer when there is no way for admins to answer the report in enough time or there are no admins around.

[Pancher]

Situation: A suspect escapes from police, he call friend/other mafias/gang to help him, the helpers got killed and not returning(as rules says) the suspect still is alive and keep call other friends and keep do soo on...

Are he allowed to keep call backup forever from diffrent not random player..? or even random players?

[Pandalink]

There are only ever so many people willing to help (if any! :razz:) and if you have a serious amount of backup, then I think you deserve to use it since you must have allied with a lot of people. :trust:

 

[Gandalf]

Situation 1: Player X goes and attempts to RP knocking player Y out and then beating him. Then, player Y scrolls to an AK47 and starts shooting player X, ruining the whole RP instead of taking it along.
Question: Ruining RP via metagaming, powergame, non-rp and such is an existant admin-punishable offence?

Metagaming and powergaming are not disallowed. Non-RP is often subject to the view of the player that 'lost'.
If you are trying to knock a guy out on the street, and he pulls a gun and kills you...you made a mistake of trying to beat up an armed guy.
Did you come up to him at once ? Did you check him for weapons ? Or did you just start to punch, attacking the player for your own ZOMG RP ?

Situation 2: Player 20 is a regular and is outfront LSPD. A new player comes and starts DM'ing or carjacking him. Player 20 uses /trip and /tickle on the new player to avoid it.
Question: If an administrator sees it, is he allowed to punish not just the new player but Player 20 also?

Yes. In fact chances are the new player will not get punished as by the time the admin sees the action, he sees only the /trip and /tickle.
Remember that when you do /report admins will NOT take action but will spectate the situation. If they see rules broken. they will act towards the player breaking the rules.
If they see nothing, nothing will happen. Repeating reports in such situation can even get you a warning.

Situation 3: AAA and BBB are criminals and are escaping from police togheter. Then, the police kills AAA. Some minutes of pursuit and AAA comes back after getting killed by police and again starts aiding BBB in escaping from cops, and end getting suspected again. Like in a war of group VS police and the group members keep coming back to fight after getting shot down.
Question: Is that admin-punishable?

Yes. Cops chases are meant to be fun. in an area as big as San Andreas two people helping each other can run almost forever.
Respect the play, if you are killed you are out of the chase and should stay out of the chase.

[Gandalf]

Situation: A suspect escapes from police, he call friend/other mafias/gang to help him, the helpers got killed and not returning(as rules says) the suspect still is alive and keep call other friends and keep do soo on...

Are he allowed to keep call backup forever from diffrent not random player..? or even random players?

Basicly yes. But it will require a lot of friends and good organization for him to keep coming up with new people.

[The_Wolf]

Ways to get down a heli:

1. Use another heli or plane to force them down.
2. Use weapons to shoot them down.

This is about police.
But what about random people ramming eachother with planes and helicopters in air (ramming is not allowed on server tho) ... I think it's not right.

[CBFasi]

Police are allowed to ram to disable vehicles, civilians however should not be.  (I have regulary been targeted when observing suspect helos even when I try to keep distance so suspets agree with ramming, its why I use a Nevada now when after suspects in the air!