[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Aksel]

Situation: A cop was chasing a suspect, but the cop disengaged the suspect and got his PD car, he's away from criminal, but the criminal decides to chase him down, it is cophunting?

Isn't it obvious enough? Of course it is.  :roll:

[Pandalink]

Isn't it obvious enough? Of course it is.  :roll:

According to Deputy Chief Vince, it isn't.

[Leon.]

Criminals looking for blue dots on radar = Cops looking for orange dots on radar.
A.K.A, cophunting.

[Trobby888]

If an officer is foolish enough to rush into 5 heavily armed suspects without any backup nor the sufficient weapons then he is ought to be shot dead, even if a brief chase is required. However, that doesn't mean you should chase him all around SA for over 5 minutes and keep trying until he is dead.

If the cop was just patrolling around near LSPD was doing say a normal traffic stop with an irrelevant person then dropping by to kill him randomly would be out of the question - It is death matching, using "I'm a suspect" as a cover against it. This is a totally different story to the previous case.

Think about the formal definition of "cophunting". It simply means going out on a hunt for police officers to kill randomly. Killing an officer who has only fled 10m away from the battlefield is not considered cophunting as the officer has chosen to involve himself in the RP and is expected to suffer the consequences if he failed in it. Stopping by at an AFK officer or a officer doing another job and sending them to heaven, however, would be considered as cophunting and hence deathmatch.

Criminals looking for blue dots on radar = Cops looking for orange dots on radar.
A.K.A, cophunting.

Remember that cops and criminals have different roles in their context. The cop's aim is to arrest suspects while the suspect's aim is to not let that happen. Hunting down cops to kill them does not allow the suspects to achieve their original goal (It only lets them achieve the "excused DM"), but killing an officer who is about to arrest them can.

[Gandalf]

Situation 1:

Player1 does '/ad Selling 20933 grams of weed!!!!!!, Contact Player1'

Would this be considered illegal or against the rules?

This has been a long discussion inside the developers.
The /ad should be regarded as a newspaper or radio ad, and that means the result of illegal advertising would be immediate action from the cops.
As players have been trying to fight becoming suspected for using /ad it has long time been the practice to forbid any advertising of illegal things.
Currently we are trying once again to let the actions for such ads be taken by the cops, and will evaluate the result.

If someone does the above /ad and then claims to be abused by cops, he might expect a direct and strong reaction should develoeprs be online.

Situation 2:

Player1 does /p Selling house at Marina contact for info, buyout 100k!
Player2 does /p [AD] Selling drugs at Verona, contact for info

And so on and so forth, is that allowed? Should Player1 & 2 need to use /ad for that and is it punishable by admins? If yes, are there circumstances where a player would be allowed to advertise they are selling something without admin punishment?

The /ad was created in order to give players a possibility to advertise.
As a result advertising in main chat is not permitted.

Player3 does '/ad GROUPXX is recruiting, check SA:MP groups for more information!!!'
Player4 does '/ad GROUPYY is recruiting, www.groupyy.smfforfree.com for info!!'

Are these types of adverts allowed? If so, the limits?

These ads are allowed, however only if the group of Player4 is dedicated to Argonath.
If it is found that the recruiting group is using multiple servers it will be regarded as advertising other servers, and can be punished.

[Gandalf]

Situation: Cops shoot criminals. Criminals shoot cops. Cops get back some distance in hope they can snipe the criminals. Criminals come into closer range, as they do not have such long range weapons. Cops cry COPHUNT YOU DONT CAHSE COPS. Criminals kill, because one of their members already died from the sniper.

Question: Why cry COPHUNT when you KNOW you're going to shoot while you are retreating? Just DIE!

As usual players take a term out of context hoping it will give them advantage.

Cophunting: The actively searching of cops by a wanted or non-wanted player in order to kill them. This is forbidden, as it is a version of DM.

The above situation is not cophunt, however it will be watched by admins to check if the suspects are attempting to turn RP in to team-DM.

[Gandalf]

A Group X got a firefight with cops. player A from group X havent shot any bullets yet, but he got suspected by Assaulting. player A got unsuspected And got pms from police that i he have to quit the firefight.

What should player A do? He got suspected and unsuspected while he was typing and got messages to stay away from firefight. Can player A still be in the firefight?

Players are to act as people would do in such a situation. When people who are innocent and not planning to take part witness a firefight, they will hide and try to get away from the place.
There for if anyone is not hiding or running out of the line of fire, the cops have all rights to suspect him. Should the player claim for any reason not to be involved, and be sucessfully unsuspected, he should get out of the line of fire as soon as possible.

If the player gets unsuspected and joins the fight, he has tried to abuse the script by getting unsuspected in order to get advantage over the present cops, and this can be severely punished.

[Gandalf]

Question
What was your last UC name, Gandalf?

The last was Sarkozy.
The current is a different one. :razz:

[Kent]

The last was Sarkozy.
The current is a different one. :razz:

Who knows, maybe we will find it out  :drunk:

[rJCaiG]

The last was Sarkozy.
The current is a different one. :razz:

what will the next one be? (A)

[battle]

what will the next one be? (A)

Who knows? :P i think we will find it out at some time

[Mikro]

As usual players take a term out of context hoping it will give them advantage.

Cophunting: The actively searching of cops by a wanted or non-wanted player in order to kill them. This is forbidden, as it is a version of DM.

The above situation is not cophunt, however it will be watched by admins to check if the suspects are attempting to turn RP in to team-DM.

What if the cop runs away a lot more and does not try to shoot the criminals. The cops is on a good distance from the suspects and is calling backup on the radio because he knows he can't handle it on his own.

Would it be cophunting when the criminals are following the cop and trying to kill him?

[Gandalf]

I was in a hurry when asking this, so I know it looks like shit, therefore, I have revised it.

At times, criminals gather in a whole bunch...say 10 players. One of them is suspected after killing someone for a hit, then the others come and aid him, so they, of course, are suspected for aiding. A lone cop comes in and starts shooting immediately. When he realizes that he's outarmed and outnumbered, he runs. The criminals then regard him as, "another seagull." Then out of the blue, one of their members die at the hands of the lone cop, who just happen to be hiding behind a car and waiting to get a clear shot. The criminals then conclude that they are at risk if this continues, so they chase after the cop. The cop then runs like hell. It could end two ways:
1. The criminals stop chasing, turn back, and suddenly, the cop kills ANOTHER. Then the cop dies, because he's in clear range.
2. The criminals keep chasing, and when they finally kill the cop while he's on the run, the cop cries in the main chat:
COPHUNTERS
And out of the blue, in BIG TEXT in my FACE, I get something like:
Gvardia, stop cophunting

Questions:
1. Why cry COPHUNT when you KNOW you're going to shoot again, or just return after you heal?
2. Why would admins blatantly announce that without gathering the FACTS, or even use common sense? (this HAS happened MANY TIMES to MANY GROUPS)
3. Why do MANY of the administrators take the sides of the police group many times? (Not accusing ANYONE of being biased, just so you know)

1. I already explained the difference between cophunt and team DM. If the lone cop has engaged the ciminals, killing him is not cophunting. However chasing a cop from SF to LS and then claiming such situation is not believable.
Criminals, even when suspected, should do their best to lose their wanted status by evading the cops, fight those cops who try to catch them, or accept their punishment.
As standing around waiting for cops to turn up can become boring, some choose to go and find cops. That is incorrect on a RP server, and belongs on a team DM.

2. See above. Criminals are not supposed to engage cops to fight, criminals are supposed to hide and evade the cops.

3. Because in MANY cases admins are watching the situation long before any action is taken.

[Gandalf]

Situation: Criminal runs to the nearest sport car and gets inside, cop jumps on top of the car.

Is it allowed for the cop to shoot the criminal's car while on top of it?

As this is (ab)using the carsurfing of SA:MP 0.3, it is not allowed, just as criminals are not allowed to stand on moving vehicles while shooting.

[Gandalf]

Situation: A cop was chasing a suspect, but the cop disengaged the suspect and got his PD car, he's away from criminal, but the criminal decides to chase him down, it is cophunting?

The situation is too limited. What would be the reason for the cop to disengage a chase ?