[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Gandalf]

New rule.

You must be playing on argonath atleast, 3 months to create a group, players will get experience first for their group, the end.

That would disallow people who play elsewhere to bring their group on Argonath.

Not that this topic is not for making your own rules, but for requesting developers explanation of the existing ones by giving situations.

[Petar]

Situation:
One or two suspects get suspected and they decide to hide in their house, they invite more people (non-suspected people) and they keep aim at the door waiting for cops to enter.
The cops are instantly killed once they enter.

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I was not sure if this was allowed or not. Both things I mean, the 'spawnkilling' and inviting other people to come fight with them.

Try it with SWAT + FBI + Armour + Heavy guns.

Or just use one of the SWAT Tactics . A.k.a. 30 Freecops With Armour.

[Roman]

Situation:

Traffic Stop. Police car (2 cops: 1) Moderator of the game | 2) Freecop). Mafia drives by, and sees their 'friend's car' and police that questioning him. Mafia car stops, people comes up to the cop, by starting a discussion about this 'pull over'. Cop (Moderator) says:
Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble (Seems like RP, huh ? )
Mafia: Yeah, sure we will. As soon as you let this car go, bum. (Attempts to RP with that cop)
Cop (freecop): ~ Continued asking the driver ~
Mafia: Yo, I don't understand. I said you two cops, get the hell out of here right now!
Mafia(2): I SAID GET IN YOUR POLICE CAR AND GET OUT, NOW!!
Mafia: ~ aims at the cop (noone shoots) ~
Cop: suspects Mafia member for aiming/disobeying
then COP STARTS SHOOTING (the moderator)
Criminal (Mafia member who was aiming) opened the fire back, rest of Mafia's in the car (3 people) started helping, killed both cops, got his friend out of cops, evaded.

Well now, in 8 minutes of evading police, the criminal who was aiming cop and saying 'get the hell out of this place while you're alive' gets tempbanned for 60 minuted by request of that cop (moderator) who said "Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble".

Later on in the game following comment: "I warned you to get out, that was the trouble"
                                temped criminal:  " No, you did not warn, you said it in /l and we were roleplying, you opened fire FIRST"
                                               mod: ~no further response ~

Question:
Was that the DeathMatching, like he said, if follow the story above ?

[Gandalf]

Sorry I just remember it was yesterday and the admin that kicked me was TheRock, so from his actions you can might find what happended in logs when you go though them if you do.


Edit: May 24, 2010, 08:13:48 I posted the first reply, and I did it after beeing kicked, so I would guess maybe it happended around 07:45 - 08:13.

[21:04:44] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /admins
[21:05:56] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /admins
[21:06:36] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /admins
[21:06:38] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /area 100
[21:06:41] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /walk
[21:06:43] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /wal 3
[21:06:52] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l sorry u fuck fat bitch
[21:06:53] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 Attempt carkill
[21:06:55] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l i ram ur mum
[21:07:00] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 Flaming

Part 1
You enter server and seem to be interested at once in the admins and their area. Usually that is behaviour of people who have something to hide, but lets skip that.

The guy who rams you actually says sorry, though in what he may think is a RP way. Someone never explained him flaming in local chat is not allowed.


[21:07:12] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /walk 4
[21:07:15] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /id Jim
[21:07:16] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /area 100
[21:07:36] MSG  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : SHAG
[21:07:43] MSG  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : I want my mullet back
[21:08:05] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l listen hows ur mom?
[21:08:09] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l i shagged her last night
[21:08:21] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l eat my shorts
[21:08:57] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /P Why shall they use them?
[21:09:09] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /P They can use what they want...

Intermission, where you can see the guy seems to enjoy this language.


[21:09:37] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /s right on homie
[21:09:52] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 Constant Rulebreak
[21:09:53] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /l fat fuck
[21:10:03] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /s lose some weight
[21:10:09] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /L Don't DM ))
[21:10:13] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 DMing!!
[21:10:15] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /admins
[21:10:19] Samuele_Sicilian(81) killed by Its_Just_A_Name_Dude(67), Unarmed

You were killed... UNARMED. Since when is fist fighting DM ?
The guy tries to RP, though below par, and all you do it report him, while you might have ran away.... or were you trying to kill him as well ?

[21:10:25] CMD  -> Its_Just_A_Name_Dude (67) : /pm 81 go lose some weight#
[21:10:37] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 Been reporting this guy for 3 mins now, do something atleast....

Incorrect. Yes you reported him 3 minutes earlier but you did not report him for 3 minutes in total.

[21:10:43] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /area 67
[21:10:57] CMD  -> Samuele_Sicilian (81) : /report 67 Check dead messages...

4 reports in one minute IS flooding, the kick was there for not unjustified.

So why did admins not react ? Very simple. All available admins were at the time handling other reports.

If you had noticed the ' sorry'  and instead of reporting would have explained, like a certain Omri would have done in the past, the whole thing would have been over in seconds.

[Gandalf]

Situation:

Traffic Stop. Police car (2 cops: 1) Moderator of the game | 2) Freecop). Mafia drives by, and sees their 'friend's car' and police that questioning him. Mafia car stops, people comes up to the cop, by starting a discussion about this 'pull over'. Cop (Moderator) says:
Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble (Seems like RP, huh ? )
Mafia: Yeah, sure we will. As soon as you let this car go, bum. (Attempts to RP with that cop)
Cop (freecop): ~ Continued asking the driver ~
Mafia: Yo, I don't understand. I said you two cops, get the hell out of here right now!
Mafia(2): I SAID GET IN YOUR POLICE CAR AND GET OUT, NOW!!
Mafia: ~ aims at the cop (noone shoots) ~
Cop: suspects Mafia member for aiming/disobeying
then COP STARTS SHOOTING (the moderator)
Criminal (Mafia member who was aiming) opened the fire back, rest of Mafia's in the car (3 people) started helping, killed both cops, got his friend out of cops, evaded.

Well now, in 8 minutes of evading police, the criminal who was aiming cop and saying 'get the hell out of this place while you're alive' gets tempbanned for 60 minuted by request of that cop (moderator) who said "Go away from here, or you will get in a trouble".

Later on in the game following comment: "I warned you to get out, that was the trouble"
                                temped criminal:  " No, you did not warn, you said it in /l and we were roleplying, you opened fire FIRST"
                                               mod: ~no further response ~

Question:
Was that the DeathMatching, like he said, if follow the story above ?

This looks like extremely poor RP from the mafia guys, and is balancing on the edge of DM. Not having seen the full situation impossible to judge.

[Omri]

Part 1
You enter server and seem to be interested at once in the admins and their area. Usually that is behaviour of people who have something to hide, but lets skip that.

What can I say, I'm just paranoid and have good reasons for it.
And I must admit that I gotta disagree and agree with some points of yours, but still I dont find it fair but...

[Whiteman]

Is that true that, if you own a house and it has fence around it, the exterior/ground belongs to you ?

[Roman]

This looks like extremely poor RP from the mafia guys, and is balancing on the edge of DM. Not having seen the full situation impossible to judge.

k thanks, that's all I wanted to know

[Kent]

Is that true that, if you own a house and it has fence around it, the exterior/ground belongs to you ?

The interior only belongs to you, the outside is public!

[Pandalink]

The interior only belongs to you, the outside is public!

Incorrect, fenced areas are yours.
The question was posted to see if this has changed.

[Gandalf]

Is that true that, if you own a house and it has fence around it, the exterior/ground belongs to you ?

When currently a house is set, any fenced or open area that clearly belongs to it will be included in the price calculation, meaning you do pay for it.
With regard to trespassing however, one has to take in consideration the function of the area. If you for instance would buy the R* Hotel, the parking could be included in the price. However it would not be possible to request visitors or cops to go out of the parking as it has a public function, and full laws are working there.

[Pandalink]

So are small gardens and driveways included in the price and hence yours? :o

[Cofiliano]

When currently a house is set, any fenced or open area that clearly belongs to it will be included in the price calculation, meaning you do pay for it.
With regard to trespassing however, one has to take in consideration the function of the area. If you for instance would buy the R* Hotel, the parking could be included in the price. However it would not be possible to request visitors or cops to go out of the parking as it has a public function, and full laws are working there.

Why paying for something that doesn't belong to you then?

[8793574]

A player got warned for driving on the wrong side of the road by a moderator.
Is it against the server rules to drive on the left lane..?

EDIT: Or wait, I think he was kicked

[Maxy]

A cop shoots at two criminals, the criminals then fire at the cop as he is driving away, trying to blow his car up so they can escape. Subsequently, the criminals get kicked for cophunting. I was one of the criminals, so needless to say I came on and said that it wasn't cop hunting. The admin then warned me for "Drop it" and I said he was wrong, if a cop shoots at you, you can shoot him, and kill him to escape. The admin in question continously argued that once a cop has shoot, you cannot do anything to him at all if he tries to escape. I was tempbanned for 60 minutes after.

Who was right here? The admin, or me, the criminal?