The Magni Pact Alliance

[Juanes]

haha failed ? u sure its me who failed ? look at you its been + 1 month u started your Vegas thing not even 6 members , my mafia is growing well , and i tell you what , its all about hard work , nice behaviour ... cant tell you other things so u fighure it out yourself learn something !

It's not about quantity, but quality. Actually I am having 7 good, nice rpers.
And you are having? 10231k persons, who still don't own any of Vegas' members in roleplaying.


BTW Niall, well said!

Yes, let's see what Panda, NitrOx or Gandalf haave to say.

[Eugene]

I think some guys get the wrong idea about the magni pact, most of you see the groups that are in the magni pact fighting together and think it is the magni pact acting, only reason why we fight together because we are all allied together in some way and that;'s without using the magni pact.

O-Dog, i really can't understand why you are saying magni pact is the reason for the mass DM on the server because the truth is, as you know that we have been fighting each other from the very beginning and there was two sides well before the magni pact was created, you just want someone to blame for it or for your warning.

The fact of the matter is this, All of our groups have been attacking each other in big groups for the past months and thinking it was right and not against the rules, well after a long talk with gandalf he told me that it is against the rules to attack groups in masses. Which is i think the big reason why he is coming to the Magni pact meeting, to make everyone clear of things but also maybe for other reasons.

Stracci want to roleplay as much as any so hopefully groups will wise up and stop gang warring each other, i admit the fights were fun at times, i'm not going to deny that, but it sucks being reported for retaliating to attacks and also when the allyship keeps widening then as we see everytime there is a gang war it brings the server to a stand-still because like 1/2 of the server are fighting.

My opinion of Magni Pact is that it is a non-violent (political?) front for the mafias that are involved. No more.
Easily, Just because you are not allowed in our pact it doesn't stop you from making you're own pact and having goals of peace talks etc and to improve communication and stuff.

where did you get idea that im blaming someone?!
lets all face the fact:

since this allience pact was created, there has/is more "mafia wars" on server! isnt that true?!

(im not saying its magni's fault, other side is in this too, dont get me wrong)

[Squeak]

where did you get idea that im blaming someone?!
lets all face the fact:

since this allience pact was created, there has/is more "mafia wars" on server! isnt that true?!

(im not saying its magni's fault, other side is in this too, dont get me wrong)

Dude, stop you're making an ass out of yourself IMO. If you have any problems with any specific groups, [email protected]

[Juanes]

where did you get idea that im blaming someone?!
lets all face the fact:

since this allience pact was created, there has/is more "mafia wars" on server! isnt that true?!

(im not saying its magni's fault, other side is in this too, dont get me wrong)

No it's not true. It just isn't.

[chris.]

Easily, Just because you are not allowed in our pact it doesn't stop you from making you're own pact and having goals of peace talks etc and to improve communication and stuff.

Even if a another pact was made I think that would further make seperation into two sides, where again competition comes in, and let us not forget that the people on each side.. we arent all Budhist Monks in a family, but rather a mafia.. and the more admins try to limit violence ( which is understandable ) the more problems are going to happen because we are mafias and what do they do? fight? yes you can limit us.. but the more that happens the problem is going to worsen because certain people with connections will get away with things. Also without Mafia/Gang Violence wouldnt that end the need for SWAT and FBI. because then all there is are trafic cops. But I degress, none of this is my decision.  

[Pandalink]

Quality > Quantity.

At the Magni Meeting today, any war was officially ended on our side.
Any further attacks will only come from your side. Hopefully of course, you also stop with us and then there will be none of this (expensive) fighting at all.

since this allience pact was created, there has/is more "mafia wars" on server! isnt that true?!

No, its not. Before Magni was formed, there were just as many fights. The only difference is, we the ones getting totally stamped on by your superior numbers. Magni brought a lot of groups together, and enabled us to actually fight back.

I think because of whole this "Allience Pact" thing, we have lots more DMing on server,
all server mafias divided into 2 sides, and this is causing mass DM on server.

There is no more fighting than before - and lets face it, there were two sides before Magni was ever conceived.
The only reason you suddenly noticed the two sides was because, as I said above, we quickly gathered enough to actually fight back.

Ron and Panda said that we will see if this thing decreases DMing, but as all of you see it did the opposite.

Before Magni was ever conceived, there was a lot of fighting on the server between the two sides.
Suddenly, when Magni was formed, we were able to fight back - and this caused the fights to become more even (i.e. we would begin to win many more than previously). This then caused them to be more recognised (which is why people think there is more fighting since Magni, which isn't true).
However, now that both sides have proven their worth, and we've "shown you not to mess with us :razz:" then perhaps we've gotten the rivalry 'out of our systems' for awhile, which might lead to a decrease in fighting now.

Im not blaming anyone, or any mafia, Im just saying this all needs to stop.

And I totally agree with you - which is why we've officially ended the war on our side.

I suggest we close this major "Allience pacts" to stop DMing on server

But I totally disagree with you - the pact itself has not caused any fighting to take place. Merely that the fights were more obvious and recognised due to more even numbers, rather than the massive imbalance of people that we had previously. Now that we've 'gotten it out of our systems' perhaps we can prove why pacts can work, and why Magni will work.

[chris.]

"Magni brought a lot of groups together, and enabled us to actually fight back.
 
(continuation of statement by Pandalink below)
-as I said above, we quickly gathered enough to actually fight back."

So that is your succes story, that you gathered people to fight back against your enemys, Sounds like the main reason you made this, to defeat enemys rather than make peace, bcause only by trying to be number one could you then stop violence and get away with having a peaceful group backed by government. But wait what happens when the other side isnt happy? well it seems you werent happy and you tried to fight back, like you said above gathering enough to fight back. Seems to me aslong as one group can win some battles and beleive to be ontop or better AND backed up by government support then yes they can be happy and peaceful but then problems happen on the otherside. as ive repeatedly said there will always be competition and denying us the right to compete is unfair. I'm going to stop talking now before I make myself look any Crazier. Can anyone relate to what I am trying to say or do I sound like a babbling idiot?

[Pandalink]

So what if my intention was to gather a force big enough to defend itself?
Chris, you weren't here when Araatus and Stracci were getting constantly stamped on by Corleone, Bellic and others. We were outnumbered 1 to 5 quite commonly. I got sick of constantly being attacked and never doing anything.

So yea, I did have that intention with Magni. I never hid that, its right here in the topic.
But I also wanted cooperation, which is hopefully what we can now have.

We've had our fun fights, randomly people complained, now we have peace.
Works for me.

[Samaron]

Alliances have been banned before for a reason if they go public people get all I wanna be the king in there head and that leads to DM why not fight if you have loads a more people then others then others teamup to fight back, alliances dont work only leads to trouble. they only work when they are underground without a topic or so wich we have seen with previous things when it gets public people feel like its legal to team up and then fights turn into wars simple as that.

As much as I personaly would like to have alliances it just doesnt work shame but true.

[Wash]

So what if my intention was to gather a force big enough to defend itself?
Chris, you weren't here when Araatus and Stracci were getting constantly stamped on by Corleone, Bellic and others. We were outnumbered 1 to 5 quite commonly. I got sick of constantly being attacked and never doing anything.

So yea, I did have that intention with Magni. I never hid that, its right here in the topic.
But I also wanted cooperation, which is hopefully what we can now have.

We've had our fun fights, randomly people complained, now we have peace.
Works for me.

Your WRONG..

When ever NitrOx was on, and a couple of others, you would ALWAYS attack us.. ALWAYS.
Then we would have to prepare ourselves.
Have you noticed that we haven't acctually gone to you guys and then killed you..?
We only attack back when we are attacked first.
I think this whole Magni thing doesn't work..
Your just faster at getting your guys together to come and kill us, that's it really.

I think this topic should be trashed, and this whole alliance thing brought to a end.
To be honest, I've had enough of constantly fighting, and JUST want it to stop.. please.

[Pandalink]

And thats up to you, Wash.
Magni has called a full cease-fire from all member factions.
If you do the same, no more fighting.

[Wash]

Well when ever I am online, we will not have any fights.

But make sure you/magni alliance groups do not dis respect us/provoke us, that's the thing that leads to fights.

[chris.]

So by attacking back your going to achieve peace, I don’t see how that works. Because if it were us with a larger stick as you say since we were bothering you with attacks then couldn’t you have just said okay lets stop the fighting im getting sick of this, besides I thought the original reason why were enemies was to make RP more interesting, yet now you want peace? It would be much easier to get peace when you’re the little guy rather than trying to take down the big guy then say, okay I can haz peace nao plz? It just doesn’t make sense. I would have been glad to not be enemies and I think you knew that from the beginning of when we became enemies. It seems you really don’t care about peace and cooperation but rather just being on top with any excuse to just be there.
and I fail to see how this intention with Magni was made public and that Gandalf supported that. From what I see Gandalf supported Peace, and not through revolting, which could be solved with a peace treaty if thats what you want to call it.

[Wash]

I am also in favour for some kind of peace treaty. As I said before, I am sick of this.. bull shit.

[Samaron]

but if stracci and araatus dont do anything together except for fight and talk then whats even the point of an alliance and also a cease-fire does not work there is always someone who shoots you all know that from the past does not work