The Magni Pact Alliance

[Pandalink]

Chris, we weren't going to get stamped on, then cry for a peace treaty.
We wanted to show our enemies that we couldn't be exploited, and we did that (and then some).
We've proved our point, so why continue spending money on guns that could benefit our business agenda?
"Now that both sides know the playing field, why play there anymore?"

Just let it be known. In all honesty, I've no problem with fighting forever. I don't personally mind. I'm perfectly happy to keep going for ever and ever because its awesome. But others do not agree, which is the reason for peace.

As I've said before, I really don't mind. If you want peace, thats what'll happen. It really doesn't affect me that much.
Also, we're looking further into pursuing our own agenda. Why do you think I called the meeting today? :P
Calling a cease-fire was the secondary purpose. We're looking to pursue our business agenda which was always an intention, right from the start.

[Maxy]

Sounds like someone is just mad because there is a formidable group actually competing with them.

Corleone can't have a complete monopoly.

[Samaron]

I'm sorry Panda but your actualy saying here that you want to have a big group to kill people if they get in your way...

Chris, we weren't going to get stamped on, then cry for a peace treaty.
We wanted to show our enemies that we couldn't be exploited, and we did that (and then some).

[Pandalink]

Not at all Samaron.
That isn't what Magni is at all.

Magni was created for two reasons:

:: To pursue our Business Agenda, and to grow economically.
:: To settle the ongoing war between the two sides on the server.

If making each 'side' actually even was what had to be done to stop the fighting, then fine - thats what we did.

I was merely stating before that I'm not some kinda wuss who just wants to talk and have peace forever. Because everyone knows that sucks and is boring. Nonetheless, I will go with whatever everyone else agrees with. I really, really don't mind.

[Niall]

trying to take down the big guy then say, okay I can haz peace nao plz? It just doesn’t make sense.  

Ceasefire isn't the same as peace, we welcome rivarly. Also us Ceasefiring doesn't mean we have lost anything or are pleading to anyone. At the start you outnumbered us which overpowered us which made you guys beat us a lot, we got more allies, more people with grudges against the corleone + their allies+ friends, used smart tactics, established a front and beat you guys badly - Not trying to be smug, just telling it how it is in my opinion.

Ceasefire means the ending of our mass killing armed campaign so we can focus on other things and not be involved in mass killings. So please, it's not all like 'i can haz peace nao plz' because at the time of the ceasefire (which happened today) we are at our most threataining point ever.

[Samaron]

Offcorse you dont mind your not the one getting warned, I've personaly only seen attacks from Araatus on Corleone (could also be bad timing from my side) so your not realy the wuss also. But evening the sides out will not stop the fighting it will just make bigger fights making groups smaller will make smaller fights that last shorter thats facts. World wars started because everyone was friends in there own little clubs and alliances, instead of two countries (groups) fighting all the groups get in the fight.

And the reason why not is also a question mark to me seeing the amount of people that actualy say that your on a dming spree like this quote.

Ceasefire means the ending of our mass killing armed campaign so we can focus on other things and not be involved in mass killings. So please, it's not all like 'i can haz peace nao plz' because at the time of the ceasefire (which happened today) we are at our most threataining point ever.

[Pandalink]

Actually, Niall is in Stracci, which also got warned along with Corleone and Bellic.

Also, comparing the Magni Pact and groups on Argonath to a world war is a very poor metaphor.
When we were being completely stepped on by the larger groups, I wanted to be able to fight back, and win.
Eventually, we were able to do that. As I've said loads of times - we've proved our point. You can't mess with us.
Two large sides against one another is much better than one giant group 'picking on the little guys'.
Now that we've proved our point, if you want a ceasefire then fine - we'll go with that and follow.

[Samaron]

I personaly think its a good methaphore because its true, hope the no shooting turns out good doubt it and suggest that when it gets broken people report it at once. And stracci got a warning but the entire alliance was in the fighting but that will be denied so then its my/our word against yours and that isnt getting anyone anywhere.

[chris.]

I have a question does attempting at defeating the other side in violence help your business agenda? because I know it doesnt help settling an ongoign war. because just like you dont want to be stamped no one else does if that is your plan.  and if your SOOOOOoo focused on business a war would be costly it would make sense to preserve your money and just call peace right from the beginning unless somehow the violence was affiliated with your business plans. :trust:

and Maxy, I think any sane person would love to stay as a monopoly if they were one, heck wouldnt you like to be super rich and powerfull? I mean 10 years ago I wouldnt have a problem being Bill Gates  and of course you would want to crush competition. but it seems thats partially what this Pact is, and is basically why Large Pacts were banned in the first place, because they start wars. Oh and if you want to say 'well Magni wants to beat competition', well you think the other side will go down without a fight? please.

The only reasonable solution would have been to accept defeat in the begining and move on to your business plans. Because now if/when your ontop then everything is going to be opposite.
or was the fighting part of the business plan?

and Panda. Now that youve 'proved your point' do you think it makes sense that we would say... okay... I forgive you lets stop...? think... because when you were in that position you didnt do that.

Niall I never even mentioned the word Cease fire. that was a few other people.Just letting you know since your last post was focused mainly on that, in wich you included a quote from ontop.

OOC / ive been away so IDK: and for the record I have yet to seen how we are the underdogs.

I'm going to sleep, im really sick and havent eaten a meal all day. goodnight everyone, Sorry that this post is suer messy and not as simple and pretty as Panda's but I really dont feel well enough to go back and get otes and seperate things.

[Pandalink]

Chris, I've said a thousand times in this thread already..
You asked why you'd accept us being "more powerful" and concede, when we didn't when we were in the same position.
I really don't know the answer to that question. We've stopped fighting because we were told to. Not because either side actually wants to, from the look of it.
Magni has called a cease-fire in order to show you that we're willing to do that. If you aren't, then we would fight back if it did not result in more warns.

We've stopped fighting because we were told to, okay? I'm really not bothered if we were to keep fighting, or stop. I don't mind either way, but if the admins want us to stop, then thats what we're going to have to do, isn't it?

And yes Chris, raising our standard to the level of the competition was important for our business agenda, for two reasons:
:: Now people actually respect us because we aren't getting stamped on constantly.
:: People saw what we were doing, and joined Magni to help us. Now, we can use our resources together to forge a powerful business empire; as I hope you will see in the coming weeks - and as discussed at the meeting today.

[chris.]

Chris, I've said a thousand times in this thread already..
You asked why you'd accept us being "more powerful" and concede, when we didn't when we were in the same position.
I really don't know the answer to that question. We've stopped fighting because we were told to. Not because either side actually wants to, from the look of it.
Magni has called a cease-fire in order to show you that we're willing to do that. If you aren't, then we would fight back if it did not result in more warns.

We've stopped fighting because we were told to, okay? I'm really not bothered whether we keep going or stop - its not going to affect much.

And yes Chris, eliminating the competition was important for our business agenda, for two reasons:
:: Now people actually respect us because we aren't getting stamped on constantly.
:: People saw what we were doing, and joined Magni to help us. Now, we can use our resources together to forge a powerful business empire. As I hope you will see in the coming weeks - as discussed at the meeting today.

Very well. I hope admins can review some of the statements said here and overlook the original purpose of Magni and can consider the truth and make some decisions as you basically got presidential clearance to overcome us if you could succeed in doing so it seems. Because its a bit unfair that when one side trys to fight back for what they 'had' they are not allowed to and are warned. Do I smell some government affiliation here ? :trust:

[Pandalink]

Because its a bit unfair that when one side trys to fight back for what they 'had' they are not allowed to and are warned.

And I totally agree with you, but we're powerless to change that, sadly.
It is unfair, but neither of us can change that..

[chris.]

And I totally agree with you, but we're powerless to change that, sadly.
It is unfair, but neither of us can change that..

Thus I invite admins to read over public opinions from both sides and trust in them that they can HELP make a resonable solution.
Goodnight.

[Niall]

Mass killing is really another word for a gang war because it means basically killing a lot of people, samaron, and every group including stracci, arratus, corleone, belic, esf, calvino and more were doing it, some didn't get warned because gandalf didn't catch them at it which is why he wrote after aragorn warned stracci "The warning to the Stracci family is extended to all current SA:MP groups who are involved in constant finding reasons to start a killing or mass shootout.". So if you are one of the ones involved and think you didn't get warned bcause your group wasn't wrong then think again, all who are seen in a mass shootout get warned from now on, no matter what reason. So count yourself lucky and try and start a new leaf.

 And since you're weren't that active let me fill you in that mass killing - killing lots of members of other groups but with a reason was allowed if both sides agreed. Now it's not and gandalf has made that clear. So excuse me for being honest because i said that we were involved in a mass killing campaign, but that's what it was and that's what most groups done including us, i'm the only one man enough to come out and say it.

I'm going to sleep, im really sick and havent eaten a meal all day. goodnight everyone,

Me too, i'm tired, have to get up for work in the morning and i haven't ate much because i've got a throat infection and i'm not going to spend another night arguing. Night.

[Eugene]

To Magni, (mainly Vegas Bros)


you all say quality not quantity!! right?!
all I see is Vegas posting on new mafia's topics about having "meeting" to talk about relation ships with magni.
( if you say this is not true, i can post links where it was posted, latest expamle: Solonik's topic )