Ciao Argonath:RPG SA:MP.

[Gandalf]

Its just that for a guy who knows things so well and does not 'need' to fit in you seem unwilling to step up and show those that you feel could improve.
Think you can lead the meeting better? Jump in.
Think your group can show the others how to play ? Go on and do it.
Nobody stops you except yourself.
Its easy to comment on what others are doing wRONg. But to actually show those others that it can be done better is hard.

[Cross]

Its just that for a guy who knows things so well and does not 'need' to fit in you seem unwilling to step up and show those that you feel could improve.
Think you can lead the meeting better? Jump in.
Think your group can show the others how to play ? Go on and do it.
Nobody stops you except yourself.
Its easy to comment on what others are doing wRONg. But to actually show those others that it can be done better is hard.

Tell me... why should me and my friends waist time?
What am i? why sould people listen to me? they have all freedom what to do what they want, i will not tell anybody how to do it better.
Why is it just so hard for you guys to acceped that SOMEBODY in the whole world might not like Argonath SA:MP server...
But you always put these kinda people in 1 spot, calling them flamers or rulebreakers.
I already shown 1 year ago how it sould be and everybody in that time who was in a faction agree's with me till the day of now.

By the way Aragorn and Gandalf, i would really love to sit next to eachother behind a table and talk about some stuff togetter in real..
Sinds we all live in The Netherlands i think that isnt going to be a problem?

[Religue]

Hey Tony, Remember be, You probebly do.
Listen, Personally I think your right, there can and should be better RP in Argo.
But if it should be there, someone has to start the "Change" Gandalf, Aragorn, you, just someone.
It doesn't do it by it self. And it also doesnt happen in a night. Or 3. But if you can understand, Argo is one probebly still the best RPG on SA:MP.
And if you gave it a chance, tell people "listen this RP sucks, maybe we should try it this way." Old Regulars listen and they are also the higher ups/leaders and people (their members) listen to them.
To create change someone has to start it as I sad.

Like evolution, A fish was so dumb enough to jump on land and start crawling. Or smart enough its how you want to see it.

But anyways farewell mate. 

[Gandalf]

Its not a problem that some people do not like Argonath.

But you just show exactly what I meant. You are willing to shout from the sideline, telling 'people agree with me', while at the same time feeling you are waisting your time to make an effort to change things for what you call better.
If those people agree, lets stop the whining and make the effort. I am pretty sure that if people stand together they can reach something.
But we will stand by our rules, which are pretty simple. And if your ideas are to bend them our answer will be a clear no.

[Cross]

Its not a problem that some people do not like Argonath.

But you just show exactly what I meant. You are willing to shout from the sideline, telling 'people agree with me', while at the same time feeling you are waisting your time to make an effort to change things for what you call better.
If those people agree, lets stop the whining and make the effort. I am pretty sure that if people stand together they can reach something.
But we will stand by our rules, which are pretty simple. And if your ideas are to bend them our answer will be a clear no.

Alright then take a look at the time everybody wanted to make San Fierro populair?
It was suported by so many people... and at the end, it didnt work out..
You think i can change things so people's factions are going to roleplay better?
Everybody follows his own way, its a game remember? You point a gun at somebody's head, he doestn give a shit, try that in real, he shits his pants.
People have to wanna inproof themself, there is nobody who can do that, just themself.

[Aragorn]

If you cannot change things, Tony, why you demand it from others? You wrote me a long story about me disrespecting you... Of cos every time anyone who is not agree with you or posts in your style - they are disrespecting you, not you disrespect others... Now lets see what happened?

Came Tony_Dragons on server, saw some rulebreaking, writing goodbye topic... Came Tony_Dragons on server, saw some rulebreaking, writing good bye topic... It is not a typo or mistake with copy/paste, it is how it is...

And now detailed...

Came Tony_Dragons, saw Bellics and Corleones rulebreaking, calling server "RPG sucked", writing good bye topic... When the same time and even earlier, this two groups were warned by developers for the stuff they did, their leaders were solving the problem with their members... As about Corleones, they contacted their leader immediately and he appeared immediately on server to rule the situation... This is what I call a good organized group...
Yes, some members of every group can make mistakes... And R* clan is not out of it, and the leaders also have to solve the problems as well between group members and other players... But that does not mean we will all write leaving topics cos we all think all others suck...
If you will show me a server, where admins are not needed cos all players are playing perfect by rules - I will appreciate it...

It is not about Aragorn disrespects Tony_Dragons, cos I think I am one of those who really helped you on Argonath, and even supported you to grow on Argonath... But do you respect Argonath to make leaving topics just to get a new reason to "put some shit in Argonath"? If no... then what are you still doing here? Just a question...

[Cross]

If you cannot change things, Tony, why you demand it from others? You wrote me a long story about me disrespecting you... Of cos every time anyone who is not agree with you or posts in your style - they are disrespecting you, not you disrespect others... Now lets see what happened?

No, everytime i do not agree with something that happends on Argonath you step in.

Came Tony_Dragons on server, saw some rulebreaking, writing goodbye topic... Came Tony_Dragons on server, saw some rulebreaking, writing good bye topic... It is not a typo or mistake with copy/paste, it is how it is...

yeah i really wrote much goodbye topic's right, mind showing me some?

Came Tony_Dragons, saw Bellics and Corleones rulebreaking, calling server "RPG sucked", writing good bye topic...

You think i care about that? Me and Milot killed so many of them and got out alive.

When the same time and even earlier, this two groups were warned by developers for the stuff they did, their leaders were solving the problem with their members... As about Corleones, they contacted their leader immediately and he appeared immediately on server to rule the situation... This is what I call a good organized group...

Why sould a good group even be warned?
It is not about some DM stuff, its about the ROLEPLAY, R O L E P L A Y.

If you will show me a server, where admins are not needed cos all players are playing perfect by rules

What does this has to do with my leaving topic?
Again, its not about the rulebreaking, i dont care about that, i don't care Corleone and Bellic was shooting on me, i don't call that DM.

It is not about Aragorn disrespects Tony_Dragons, cos I think I am one of those who really helped you on Argonath, and even supported you to grow on Argonath...

Thats true, but you changed..

But do you respect Argonath to make leaving topics just to get a new reason to "put some shit in Argonath"? 

Leaving topic's ? this is my first one in the whole year?
I already told you on MSN "Wake up out of your dream" why do you think everybody that has normal critism wanna "shit on Argonath" ? whats wrong with you?
You think i am telling something new? you seen the reply's of people.

[Immortal]

I wont asslick or do any shit I just wanna tell real things...
Tony is right with something
RP of Argonath decreased cos of new ppl who doesnt know RPing or reporting for false reasons and some of new players are very childish...
I liked Argonath from older scripts but i still love it and i will never leave it...
Tony, you shouldnt disrespect main developers or anyone...
If you want to change things, then make an idea or put some effort
Btw its still foolish that ure leaving again... REALLY!
Gandalf and Aragorn are very patience people that wont let u down...
Think man, think

[tiderman]

bye (again)

Yeah most people suck at RPing that's why I stopped playing SA:MP... It just gets boring.

btw, why don't you, that knows perfect rp, show other people how it's done?

[ToniaNVR]

btw, why don't you, that knows perfect rp, show other people how it's done?

That's because people like Trojan can't do a shit themselves, but always pour crap on other players...

[Rossâ„¢]

See you around mate.





By: Moe Ross

[Aragorn]

Tony,

You did not get a word from what I said to you... Though you blamed me here, that only Gandalf understands you... And whom you understood? Anyone who wrote you opposite opinion - did you listen to it? No... So its again your ego - demand from me to understand you, though you yourself do nothing to understand others...

And you think such people will increase Roleplay? Or you want developers to sit and teach everyone who joins the server cos otherwise Tony will leave server again? Were you leaving? All the time... And of cos all the time with complains... Most of them were on MSN... You do not remember your first leaving before I set your gang houses in Bayside? Then you moved to other server to play there, then you were back with "inspection"...

Argonath decreased RP? No... Those, who say "yes" have no idea what was Argonath, how long it was fighting deathmatchers and cheaters to create/run the stable community of roleplayers... And back to the past, I can say for sure: Argonath increased a lot...
And will increase, no matter what Tony_Dragons thinks of us... And does not matter how long he will wait, playing other servers to come back to investigate what Argonath is now until will not meet a rulebreaker to run on forums and happily write a new topic about Argonath sucking RP...

If you will not get my words, then sorry, cannot bother myself "to spread gems around" for nothing... I am too busy this times to talk with people who do not want to get a point and just visit to criticize our work... Thats just a wasting of time... Especially when this people start accusations "you come and disrespect me in every topic"...

[Aragorn]

Oh, yeah, and your friend just was banned by me on forums... Ask him why to listen to more shit about me, probably it will make you feeling more assure in your actions...

[Cross]

*Sign*

Alright, let me try to explaine it soooo slowly then even you understand it.

I DO NOT BLAME ANY ADMINISTRATOR OF ARGONATH RPG BECAUSE OF THE FACTION ROLEPLAY.

Why you keep thinking i am saying its your fault, its THEIR fault, its the fault of the people who make this fake roleplay.
And why do i leave, because otherwise i will go pissed again, my mood will be fucked up and i will prob fall back in a flaming behave and then you will go like: hihihihihih Tony is flaming again...  :ban:

[Gandalf]

Tony is right with something
RP of Argonath decreased cos of new ppl who doesnt know RPing or reporting for false reasons and some of new players are very childish...
I liked Argonath from older scripts but i still love it and i will never leave it...

Argonath exists for 2 years and 3 months.
We hear this story for 1 year and 6 months.
Get it ?

There will always be new people who have to learn. There will be always old people who run out of imagination and get bored.
There will be always be a conflict between those who like to share and have fun and those who are out to be on top at all costs.
Playing on Argonath is not about being the best, about PWNing or owning.
Its about meeting a lot of new people, some you will like and some you will hate.
Some people are here to give, others are here to take.
There will always be whiners who feel that the RP they did in their first month was the coolest thing and everything since has been going downhill.
There also will be always new guys who get to understand that using your imagination is much more fun as running around shooting everything in sight or being forced in to a prison style play.

We are not perfect, and we are not meant to be perfect. And everyone can try to help out and invent new things, and enjoy what they enjoyed in the beginning.
Or you can leave.
If you leave, no need to start a big topic about how bad Argonath is. It has always been just as bad, just you did not notice it and thought it was great at the time.

Players change, people change, communities change. Thats called life.
You can either stick with it and try to make things better or just give up and make a fuss about how everyone hates you.

Topic locked to prevent flaming.