Why For is All this :'( :'(

[Niall]

I'm the only Israeli around, and I see how people here shouting "free Palestine" like they understand something, most of you just hearing about war in the news, most of you never heard a missiles falling or had any family members killed.

Which makes it better because we won't have biased attitudes. Am from palestine? No. Am I a muslim? No. Do i support terrorisms? No. Do i support Hamas and the freedom of palestine? Yes.

Gaza was owned by Israel for a number of years. They should liberate Gaza, clearing all Hamas millitans in their way and gain control of the country, or give control to Turkey or Egypt.

You guys really want to get either Great Britain or the USA inolved in this...fine by me. But they will do the same as they have done in Iraq and Afganistan.

Personally I would prefer the UN to agree on terms with both sides and work something out.

Hamas , is not a political party, but a mallitia group - do not say other wise. In anyones eyes they are terrorist. As Dimitry said, Israel wa having around 40-50 rockets a day fored at multiple areas. Israel put up wit the bombardment long enough and decided to take problems into their own hands. This is Hamas' own fault and no-one else is to blame. The UN are making a decision right now with the world superpowers. I hope there discussion puts an end to all this pointless slaughter and unneccesary bombardments and rocket strikes.

You need to stop lapping up all that propaganda and read the facts. Also actually read that article decy posted.

Killing civilians is wrong. Just wanted to make my view clear on that. And it is not right when any person does it.

The british gave the jews their own country called Israel in palestine to accomodate them after the second world war, it belonged to palestine. They have been fighting for years each other for years and israel keep extending their boarders. Hamas have every damn right to fire rockets, they want their damn country back. Don't you get it?

Ok dave, here's a scenario ( Just using germany as an example ):

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Say the germans invaded 'Great Britain', they defeated the brits and they took over the country. They beat any bit of british culture and heritage out of the people, murdered, raped, bullied them. Britain was now a part of the german empire and britain was no more. You would not attempt to get your country attack? You would not join a group whos aim was to get britain back? Of course you would.

Then germany try to silence your group of freedom fighters by using disproportionate force and killing over 400 of your people in a matter of weeks. Would you like it if the super power of the world( USA) backed germany and said that they had the right to use such force against your people? And you were only trying to get what was yours back. What would you say?

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You and a lot of the world refer to the Hama as a terrorist organisation but have you ever looked terrorist up in the dictionary? It says:
"the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals"

Wait... Didn't Israel kill well over 100 civilians in the last 7 days? Who's the terrorist now??

Israel think they are above the law because they have America on their side. And as long as they have funding for state of the art apache helicopters and F-16 Fighter planes, weaponry etc then they will always think that they are above the law and ignore the fact that they are commiting genocide and using disproportionate force.

you do know what bombing runs are...they choose a random area going in a straight line and they bomb all down that line. A bit like mowing the lawn.

Wrong.
It was not a random area, it was their target - Stated by them, they said it was because they beleive hamas were firing morters from there. The UN says they have found out that this is 99.9% Untrue.

[ChaNce]

But the question here is...where are the videos of the kindergardens, the Palestines bombed? Where are the other dead kids, which got killed by Hamas?
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Nowhere...I cant see them

[Anto]

I'm not even going to bother arguing the Israeli case anymore, as you guys are so blinded by your "Oh poor Palestine" remarks that you don't even take into consideration what has happened to Israel. This, and I'm not flaming or anything, is why I HATE the middle east. They cause so much trouble in the world by constantly causing others to fight. I am sick fo hearing on the news about fighting breaking out in the middle east. Why can't they just be like most other countries and not constantly f**king fight.

I am still backing Israel. As it is more of a "real" country than the area currently known as "Gaza" will ever be.

You are backing Israel becuase you are ignorant and dont know the history and who really is at fault, do me a favour man, read a book about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, stemming from 1948. Then you come back and say what you feel.

[Raykaza]

Dave Please if you Dont know the whole Story dont need to Post here Becuz you will Provoke a BIG RASCISME DISSCUSION

[Omri]

Dave, i'm sorry but may god kill you

[Dave]

Do you know the meaning of Ignorant. As it does not match up with the context you are using it in.

And why did you two just avoid my point about the west constantly having to support their fights. What the US are doing is stupidity. they hould be in there sorting out both sides problems not sayign "Hey , Israel, we;ll jump in and nuke every Palestinian that moves if you get too deep in shit."

I am hoping to see another superpower try to sort out both problems without taking sides. I understand that what Israel has done is wrong. But did Hamas need to keep firing rockets? Why didn't they just say "Hey, we're not going to retaliate, we're above them." But no, they had to fight, they always do. Thats whats wrong about this world. everyone thinks fighting solves fucking everything. Let politics deal with it. Freedom cannot be determined by fighting. In WW2 yes maybe, as there was really no other choice. But in this situation.....


And you are also avoiding the point of the Israelies, scared when 40-50 rockets a day strike there country. Hamas knew what was comming when they did this. So why, a perfectly valid reason other than pushing borders back etc did Hamas have to fight?

Dave Please if you Dont know the whole Story dont need to Post here Becuz you will Provoke a BIG RASCISME DISSCUSION

I see no racism here. Everyone is allowed a say in this "event" shall we call it and i'm having my say.

Dave, i'm sorry but may god kill you

Lucky for me i'm an Atheist.

[Raykaza]

May i Have to Post this on the tilte "its just for +18))

[Dave]

May i Have to Post this on the tilte "its just for +18))

Age has nothing to do with it.

[Niall]

Sorry dave but i'm not even going to argue with you about this, your knowledge on this subject is extremely limited. And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...

[Dave]

Sorry dave but i'm not even going to argue with you about this, your knowledge on this subject is extremely limited. And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...

Not in my opinion. When it comes down to it. The country with the most nukes is the worlds largest superpower.

America is in econimic downfall. And so is most of the west.


My knowlege is not "extremly limited". I could talk to great lengths about both sides and their problems and how they should fix them. I even did so today with alot of people who's knowlege of the subject is not "extremly limited".

The point is. You're not out there in those two countries. The only person I can see who is there is Dimitry. So right now none of us know what is going on. all we here is what is on the news or radio etc. Then again i'm not out there so how the fuck can I have a say on anything in this forum.

Here we go again. People being total arses cos one guy is arguing with their friends over a subject that is totally irrelevant on this forum and he isn't even 16!



I can tell you something. I can hold my ground against most people. Even adults and I have in the past. Age does not count towards anything and should not count. If age mattered for everything. I wouldn't be here right now cos you big 17 year old baddies would gang up on me and scare me.

[masterpipo]

no i dont think this war has just begun i think we comunity members should not blame each other for the actions of their country and i also think there will be an end to the fighting cause now the whole world want them to just talk and i dont choose sides what i do is that i disrespect both countries for killing children etc. and i know you would agree that both countries are doing the wrong thing and you all dont admit that your country is doing the wrong things yes for all of you from palestina and israel i dont care who's fult this is but i know that we cant do anything about it and we must just have peace in the comunity

so i ask an admin to lock this topic

 :ps: c'mon people we were all friends untill this topic was made and we all gave our opinion about each other....

[Omri]

But the question here is...where are the videos of the kindergardens, the Palestines bombed? Where are the other dead kids, which got killed by Hamas?
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Nowhere...I cant see them

When did Hamas bomb kindergardens?, answer me on that. You want to know why Hamas is bombing ?, its because they cant just stand looking for innocent palestinen citizens to die, who else should take actions? All are afraid of the USA, they can screw me.

And Dave, before you are comming here and learning us with your "knowledge" get your facts right.

[Dave]

no i dont think this war has just begun i think we comunity members should not blame each other for the actions of their country and i also think there will be an end to the fighting cause now the whole world want them to just talk and i dont choose sides what i do is that i disrespect both countries for killing children etc. and i know you would agree that both countries are doing the wrong thing and you all dont admit that your country is doing the wrong things yes for all of you from palestina and israel i dont care who's fult this is but i know that we cant do anything about it and we must just have peace in the comunity

so i ask an admin to lock this topic

 :ps: c'mon people we were all friends untill this topic was made and we all gave our opinion about each other....

Agreed, Stuff like this does not concern this forum or community in anyway and should not be here. This is not what the forum is for. If you want to discuss the situation in Gaza, do so on MSN not on a gaming forum that is here for game discussion and general chat.



You guys will be suprised to see that the US military's next deployment is tot he Gaza strip if this fighting does not stop soon. And I don't mean thats bad just for Palestine.

[Tice]

example - Britain invades Ireland, they kill and murder and rape people, Ireland forms a group - IRA in this case it is Hamas! the IRA fight back to get the invading country out, and then they are looked upon as terroists, even though they are using violence (which i do NOT agree with) they are using violence becuase it is their last resort, this is an example

I think what you mean here is that plantation colonies were invited to Ireland while it was still a Celtic tribal land. Not to mention, European settlement into Ireland was pretty much the same. The (R)IRA brutally killed innocent people for a political cause hundreds of years later, I can't believe people actually regard them as heros for their cause, after all, they didn't (or haven't yet, whatever you believe) achieve(d) anything significant.

I'd rather not talk about the conflict in Gaza, but what some people are saying here is so nieve it's not worth the effort. The IRA arn't a matter I'll take lying down.

And the only super power left in most peoples opinion is america...

How about China, the country that could financially destroy the USA overnight if they claim their debt?

[Omri]

Why do we got the topic then Speakerbox if we cant discouss this ?