What is Roleplay on Argonath?

[blinker]

Argonath has changed alot not for the better there are some good RPers but it isnt like it was a year ago, im not saying it was perfect a year ago but there are alot more people now who play argonath to make money...

- Kent

[Matthew_Cipricla]

People who make these god damn topics think they are helping Argonath, when in reality they are causing alot of harm. All this topic has done is cause arguement and players to turn against players, admins against admins..... Mere words will not make the server any better, so this topic was and is now completely worthless. All it does is show the dark side of the players, nothing else...

And im talking about everyone involved, even me. So dont say "Wow Matt, your DOING IT TOO lLOLOLAMAOLAOLOL!!"

[JDC]

That's why I said it has no sense to try to improve this server. There's only a handful of players that want to change something, and they all fail because nobody gives a f**k about their opinion, that's lame. Saying "don't like, leave" is the worsest excuse I've ever heard here. People moving out of this server because they are pissed at the community and because of the boredom, roleplay is only the third thing. Seriously, imagine you are a new player to this server that wants to have some fun.

First you can do is go and buy a weapon, since you have nothing better to do you go and kill somebody without a reason. The killed player reports you, and you get a kick/ban.

Then you go to the ARPD, since it's the only possible choice to have a right to kill players > Cops & robbers (there is a great server called like that).

You can also go hunt on players in a group, which leads to the same odd thing: Cops & robbers.

Sure, that can be fun, I also like to deathmatch on this server as civilian or cop.
But deathmatching is not allowed, so you get a kick.
But you can't do anything better here, the last thing you can do is to start roleplay: But only a small group of players wants to do that, and that's the group of players complaining, about to leave!

I remember times where the server was full, now I see only 15-20 players per day, doing nothing else than to go on /duty and chase the new players that dmed or the guys that are playing longer and killing in a group. The rest is just /p-ing.

"Don't like it? Leave"

NOT true.
Or should I say occasionally half true.

1. Seriously, you should be able to distinguish Cops and Robbers from Roleplaying a Cop. Yes, I know, some people just do it for money, but the other Cops (and Feds... especially me) who work not for the money hate the moneycops and we really try our best to be good law enforcers instead of Bounty Hunters!

2. If you think Cops and Robbers is so great, go there. SAPD / ARPD controls Criminal Population within the bounds of RP and Rules (Except for them little freecops... and the occasional officer, what a disappointment... who go around with $ signs in their eyes and 'cha-ching' sounds in their minds). I have never had problems with this back in the VCPD (MTA:VC) where I came from!

3. When you are new to this Server and you DM someone, you usually get Frozen and told the rules, and if you already know the rules and still keep DMing, THAT is when the Kick-Ban thing is applied to you... Admins try their best not to scare away new players who may become potential RPers and Admins, you know.*

the last thing you can do is to start roleplay

4. You act like it's impossible to RP while having fun. You should have seen the invasion of the GiacJr (<3) clones, we RPed as Giac Clones and it was really fun! You see, a lot of people are losing their fun on Argonath because they DO NOT give enough effort to RP while having fun! They just go for one or the other! If people have been missing the points behind my messages in previous topics such as this one, let me make it big so that even people who need eyeglasses can read it without their eyeglasses!

The point of Argonath RPG is FUN RP, if you want roleplay which is strict, downright boring, and not fun at all, then you're better off in a Server with wannabe RPers who toggle their OOC Channels and remove blips on their radar!!!

If you can't do it on your own, then I suggest you get an old MTA:VC player to help you... really, there's so little of this "SA:MP's nonRPers problem" in MTA:VC.

If anyone is offended by my posts, I apologize in advance.

*based on my observations of DMer-Admin interactions before

[Wash]

The point of Argonath RPG is FUN RP, if you want roleplay which is strict, downright boring, and not fun at all, then you're better off in a Server with wannabe RPers who toggle their OOC Channels and remove blips on their radar!!!

If you can't do it on your own, then I suggest you get an old MTA:VC player to help you... really, there's so little of this "SA:MP's nonRPers problem" in MTA:VC.

If anyone is offended by my posts, I apologize in advance.

*based on my observations of DMer-Admin interactions before

They should rename it "Argonath FUN RPG" now.

There is no "downright boring" RP, it's unless you metagame/powergame/non-rp..
Them servers with "wannabe RPers" is bullshit, how can you be a wannabe RPer, your either a RPer or not.. :/
I've seen you complain about shitty RP so what I quoted above is wrong.

Let me tell you what Argonath RPG is..

Argonath RPG is a server that isn't always RP, it's a server that is RP & freeroam & basically fun..

Explained:

RP = From them people who do acctually RP at Argonath.
Freeroam = a lot of people just drive around and wait for stuff to happen, like paydays/events and just talk on mainchat.
Fun = Events.

[Carhartt]

4. You act like it's impossible to RP while having fun. You should have seen the invasion of the GiacJr (<3) clones, we RPed as Giac Clones and it was really fun! You see, a lot of people are losing their fun on Argonath because they DO NOT give enough effort to RP while having fun! They just go for one or the other! If people have been missing the points behind my messages in previous topics such as this one, let me make it big so that even people who need eyeglasses can read it without their eyeglasses!

That "Giac Invasion" was some made up bullshit, it was deathmatch. You guys attacked everyone who didn't change his nname to GiacJr.
Yeah how funny, in my opinion it is just childish & it was pissing off others who didn't want to be involved.

The point of Argonath RPG is FUN RP, if you want roleplay which is strict, downright boring, and not fun at all, then you're better off in a Server with wannabe RPers who toggle their OOC Channels and remove blips on their radar!!!

Those guys actually understood roleplay (My view on RP), I wouldn't call them wannabes.

If you can't do it on your own, then I suggest you get an old MTA:VC player to help you... really, there's so little of this "SA:MP's nonRPers problem" in MTA:VC.

Could everybody stop with this pathetic MTA:VC crap? IceBoy told me that none is able to roleplay properly on that server, so don't try to tell us how wonderful it is. We don't care, this is SAMP.

Uh and yeah, nice post there Marcel, I fully agree.

[9r2e5i3k]

Could everybody stop with this pathetic MTA:VC crap? IceBoy told me that none is able to roleplay properly on that server, wonderful I can say. 

Today (yesterday now...) I've had excellent fun on MTA:VC when roleplaying a house party and playing hide and seek (radar and nick display turned off).


Don't compare MTA:VC and SAMP if you haven't played on both.

And by the way, MTA:VC is about creativity and common sense - not about scripts/server functions and whining about RP/nonRP because someone didn't add brackets to local chat.

[JDC]

That "Giac Invasion" was some made up bullshit, it was deathmatch. You guys attacked everyone who didn't change his nname to GiacJr.
Yeah how funny, in my opinion it is just childish & it was pissing off others who didn't want to be involved.
Those guys actually understood roleplay (My view on RP), I wouldn't call them wannabes.
Could everybody stop with this pathetic MTA:VC crap? IceBoy told me that none is able to roleplay properly on that server, so don't try to tell us how wonderful it is. We don't care, this is SAMP.

Uh and yeah, nice post there Marcel, I fully agree.

First of all, I'd like to apologize for the upcoming references.

1. The Giac Invasion was players having fun... on Argonath, RP is just second in priority to fun, because the reason why Argonath was set up in the first place is so that players can have fun together AS A COMMUNITY!!!.... unlike those wannabe servers which have "RolePlay" in their names and no blips on their radar.

2. Those guys on Valhalla and LS-RP / SA-RP have set up RL-RPGs where everyone roleplays strict, downright boring, and barely fun. If you hate it when Argonath players have fun, leave us and go to those people "who understand RolePlay"!

3. Don't you dare call MTA:VC pathetic... it's not the quantity but the QUALITY that counts...

MTA:VC
-Few players
-Less Server Functions than SA:MP
-Most of the players can RP well, and this excludes the Admins Team
-Everybody knows each other
-Most people teach new players how to RP instead of looking down on them
-No whining about nonRP ("OMG noob you cant RP, know the diffrence between IC and OOC!")
-Good, old fashioned fun where everyone is happy

SA:MP
-Loads of players
-Many Server Functions (ajail, freeze, helpmeup)
-Few of the Non-Admin players can actually RP well
-People know only a few others closely, and know only the names of all the others
-Most people turn away new players, brand them as nonRPers, and look down on them (Freecops, for example... some of them are really good)
-Shitloads of whining and complaining ("Learn to roleplay, noobs!" "Zomg you cant RP!" "Go away I dont want to RP with you")
-Approximately 1/4 of the Server Population prefers Vallhalla-style RP, which is strict and boring. When players have fun, other players scorn them, brand them as nonRPers, and want to end their fun.


Carhartt, I will put this in the open.

If you look down on players having fun and prefer strict RP, then you would be happier in an RLRPG.

Do you see my point now? If you dont, tell me so that I will put this whole god damn post into large letters so everyone can read them!

[Wash]

MTA:VC
-Few players
-Less Server Functions than SA:MP
-Most of the players can RP well, and this excludes the Admins Team
-Everybody knows each other
-Most people teach new players how to RP instead of looking down on them
-No whining about nonRP ("OMG noob you cant RP, know the diffrence between IC and OOC!")
-Good, old fashioned fun where everyone is happy

SA:MP
-Loads of players
-Many Server Functions (ajail, freeze, helpmeup)
-Few of the Non-Admin players can actually RP well
-People know only a few others closely, and know only the names of all the others
-Most people turn away new players, brand them as nonRPers, and look down on them (Freecops, for example... some of them are really good)
-Shitloads of whining and complaining ("Learn to roleplay, noobs!" "Zomg you cant RP!" "Go away I dont want to RP with you")
-Approximately 1/4 of the Server Population prefers Vallhalla-style RP, which is strict and boring. When players have fun, other players scorn them, brand them as nonRPers, and want to end their fun.

Few non-admins can acctually RP well? What does that mean? If your a admin it means you can RP really good? my ass.. most of the admins can't RP at all.. they're not admins for they're RP abilities..

Yes, some of the new guys a really good, that doesn't mean that players go to them randomly and say "your a shit RPer". The ones that are good are rewarded, if I take the cop system, they will get official cadet then officer.

Tupac who is from MTA:VC came on SA:MP and started complaining saying "I don't want to RP" "I RP my style" etc..

Again JDC, I am having to tell you all roleplay is fun if your a roleplayer... whether it's from Argonath or any other server in this world..

If SA:MP is so shit and you can't stop bitching about it, then go to MTA:VC, where you have amazing quality etc.. don't play SA:MP.

[JDC]

When I talked about "this excludes the admins team / Few of the Non-Admin players", I did not specifically imply that admins are better than regular players all the time, some regular players are better than some admins, only they're inactive / gone or forgotten, but the active ones get rewarded eventually.

Believe it or not, your attitude affects your RP style and your RP style can also affect your attitude, have you ever seen an admin who doesnt know how to Roleplay in Argonath?

[Wash]

When I talked about "this excludes the admins team / Few of the Non-Admin players", I did not specifically imply that admins are better than regular players all the time, some regular players are better than some admins, only they're inactive / gone or forgotten, but the active ones get rewarded eventually.

Believe it or not, your attitude affects your RP style and your RP style can also affect your attitude, have you ever seen an admin who doesnt know how to Roleplay in Argonath?

sigh..

JDC, people do not get administrator rights for being good at roleplay..

I know many many many many admins that cannot RP.. being a admin does NOT mean your a good RPer, it means that you just behaved and did good..

[Que]

-Few of the Non-Admin players can actually RP well

Okey, i tried to be  nice in my last reply, but who the f**k do you think you are?
50% of the admins are so screwed up so it don't even make any sense. Since they've become admins they haven't even rped AS THEY USED TO DO!
Don't get me wrong, some of the admins are really good, they really are. But who the f**k are you telling that the "non-admins players" can rp well?

I got so mad about this thing so... i don't know what to say.

Just because we don't wanna be admins don't mean we can't rp. Calling Argonath RPG as a RP server when all of you got the opinion that the server should be a FUN Server or a Entertainment server. TWO admins said that, SERIOUSLY. 

I'M HERE TO ROLEPLAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT RPG STANDS FOR. RENAME THE SERVER TO SOMETHING ELSE IF THIS IS NOT THE MAINPOINT OF THE SERVER.
JDC, my opinion of you before you had this admin-trial-shitty was very good.
Now it's totaly different, this is totaly damn wrong. You are not better in any ways, than you were before just 'cause they picked you as an admin.

Legend, Stof, Jaaskaa, Lionz, Brains are examples of good admins in my eyes. (Some more)

But what some of the admins are writing in this topic makes me wanna puke, it's so ridiculous.
I have no more words to write...   

[MasterNeo]

What I think Neo meant was that it was a wrong way of advertising the server.
But you are right Marcel, as I left SA:MP community for some months ago because lack of RP of some people, I now came to conclusion to find another SA:Mp server and now I must admit I made an account in LS RP just waiting for approval.

Thats what im tryin to say and..some of thing there is my opinion .Not meant to get you guys angry. Sorry if i do wrong


EDIT 1 :

Hmm..speaking about this topic, this forum is no different with our server . Subject of this topic ''What is Roleplay on Argonath?'', and we are out of topic. Just like what happen on server. Still, server still has a very very bit of RP stuff everyday. About the ''ArgonathRPG'' name...You guys better ask the developer why they did not change the server name to ''ArgonathEntertain''. Some people love to do their own business at Argonath. Some of them chatting,tryin to keep they wealth growing up and stuff meaning that they are rejecting any RP that conttains money such as robbery,kidnapping and stuff. Let them be, you guys forget that they are much more place in Argonath that are always empty. I guess the ''wise/complete/righteous/never done wrong/always did stuff on IC roleplayer'' can gather on somewhere on desert and start locking yourself there and keep roleplaying all the time.

I dont know how to explain my feeling about some of the comments that you guys thrown here.So i guess if my comment is to much on this topic, I am really sorry.

[K5ff3r]

can gather on somewhere on desert and start locking yourself there and keep roleplaying all the time.

That's how you would like to handle the roleplayers at this server?




Wow JDC, changing the name to GiacJr, running around and kill people that don't have the same name is not roleplay.
It's more like organized deathmatching. Sure it can be fun, but I really don't know why you think it is..
If that's ROLEPLAY for you, you can't write a shit about it.

And why you are involding MTA:VC? We are talking about THIS server only, I don't give a bloody f**k about other servers on SA:MP or MTA whatever, because we are discussing about the RP on Argonath RPG.

When we would talk about NAME REMOVED, we wouldn't talk about the rp there. Seriously, open your eyes.
Your point of view is that we want rp everywhere, /facepalm.

Want RP? Go to a rp server.
Want deathmatch? Go to a deathmatch server.

Now it's unclear if this is a roleplay server as it's very unorganized, that's what the topic is about.
Not about turning off blips on the map what is actually "very rp".

[NitrOx]

First of all, I'd like to apologize for the upcoming references.

1. The Giac Invasion was players having fun... on Argonath, RP is just second in priority to fun, because the reason why Argonath was set up in the first place is so that players can have fun together AS A COMMUNITY!!!.... unlike those wannabe servers which have "RolePlay" in their names and no blips on their radar.

2. Those guys on Valhalla and LS-RP / SA-RP have set up RL-RPGs where everyone roleplays strict, downright boring, and barely fun. If you hate it when Argonath players have fun, leave us and go to those people "who understand RolePlay"!

3. Don't you dare call MTA:VC pathetic... it's not the quantity but the QUALITY that counts...

MTA:VC
-Few players
-Less Server Functions than SA:MP
-Most of the players can RP well, and this excludes the Admins Team
-Everybody knows each other
-Most people teach new players how to RP instead of looking down on them
-No whining about nonRP ("OMG noob you cant RP, know the diffrence between IC and OOC!")
-Good, old fashioned fun where everyone is happy

SA:MP
-Loads of players
-Many Server Functions (ajail, freeze, helpmeup)
-Few of the Non-Admin players can actually RP well
-People know only a few others closely, and know only the names of all the others
-Most people turn away new players, brand them as nonRPers, and look down on them (Freecops, for example... some of them are really good)
-Shitloads of whining and complaining ("Learn to roleplay, noobs!" "Zomg you cant RP!" "Go away I dont want to RP with you")
-Approximately 1/4 of the Server Population prefers Vallhalla-style RP, which is strict and boring. When players have fun, other players scorn them, brand them as nonRPers, and want to end their fun.


Carhartt, I will put this in the open.

If you look down on players having fun and prefer strict RP, then you would be happier in an RLRPG.

Do you see my point now? If you dont, tell me so that I will put this whole god damn post into large letters so everyone can read them!

How RP is cloning someone -.-

[9r2e5i3k]

And why you are involding MTA:VC? We are talking about THIS server only, I don't give a bloody f**k about other servers on SA:MP or MTA whatever, because we are discussing about the RP on Argonath RPG.

I guess that's because Argonath has a server on MTA:VC. It is the first and oldest Argonath server by the way. I'm wondering how could you not know that.


And if you so much dislike this server - what are you doing here still? Leaving as much shit as possible before leaving?


PS:
@ JDC, and others too - more facts, less opinions.