Dialog with the Owners

[superh2o]

Thats why I wrote it here to owners, not to a staff who would call my suggetion and the replies on it as "PUCK"

i'm sorry you took only 1 line from my quote i explained all how it is, good luck in changing Gandalfs opinion.

[Vitorrio]

Financial - Club Argonath
Take a look at the donations done in the past years, I don't think those people ever got any advantage in-game like the ones you're trying to ask.

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.

Spoiler for Hiden:

What's next, pay to get unbanned??

In the meantime of those 8 pages of useless blabber, we haven't gone anywhere. Just a waste of text, that's what it is. Anyway, this isn't going to change the fact that we all are immature sometimes when we feel strongly that we are right. But you don't hear me complaining about what things DeeJay had done wrong to me. (Even though I brought it up, I am sorry for that)
The point is, and I think this is where we need to stick around to, we've become bored of doing these things because many people didn't want to just give up on buying cars or houses.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Oh, and please, refrain from the insults, they are just wrong and don't prove anything.

I've heard people from the SA:MP community that they got bored of so many commands to learn instead of roleplaying them and using their imaginations. I've heard a guy say on a deleted topic that going to RS 4.1 (I think) was a big mistake because everyone had to recover and he simply just got bored of that. Although, he did say that he felt the update was necessary because it was synchronizing with the new features of SA:MP. Anyway, I've observed that many players understand that by improving the Roleplay we need to add more and more commands. Not even close! In my opinion, I think that I know what the root to that problem is. We made them understand that way. Instead of going and leading by example on how to understand each other and be nice with one another, we focused ourselves on the money and on being more important than we were. Who remembers the old admin DeeJay? Well, he was thinking he was very important, but when he left the admin duty, nobody remembered him, because he wasn't nice to them and didn't help the community that much. One more thing, then I'll rest my case for now. Many of you are suffering of the "member berry disease", meaning that you like remembering stuff a bit better than it really was.

Spoiler for Hiden:

The member berries

You know, people after a war think that it was terrible, but, after decades from that, they think that it was an awesome thing that happened to their lives (or maybe not that far). Anyway, I don't find roleplaying so interesting in a game, but I've seen the "old days" roleplay type. It is good, but, quite long.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Too bad we can't really interact with each other in a game.

Spoiler for Hiden:

If you read what I suggested, it's just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you won't be abandoning it anytime soon.
All items in-game are simply codes, so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you can't pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play .

So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

[Mido]

The reason for current down time issue is not clear to all, but what is clear is that Teddy is working on fixing it.

All assumptions that the down time is related to not paid bills are just speculation at best.

Also, i can say for 100% that no report to Managers about staff abuse has been ignored, you can believe what you wish IVMP HQ is not ignoring its players. I have been present or informed of many reports about staff and even been warned once for my own actions when i left some blocks on a busy road. If you feel abused by any player (staff included) pming senate or dino will deliver your report in right hands.

Exactly. so if you ask me is the server is diying due to finance issues i would say no. look where the actually problem exists and work on fixing it.

[Hevar.]

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

[Ramis]

Exactly. so if you ask me is the server is diying due to finance issues i would say no. look where the actually problem exists and work on fixing it.

By absent response initially by server leadership to even start resolving the issue it took a while , it pretty much looks like they are not very enthusiastic in the server upkeep as a whole and arent really prioritizing it by any means.
I believe at least good three days of downtime will be.

[James]

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

+1 , argonath official trump has been revealed. clown trump.

EDIT: Watch out guys , this topic might get locked too

[Ramis]

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

And SAMP will pay for it.

[Ramis]

And to be honest i wish it was true , real toxic influence from the samp players that are such wannabe kings just because samp branch exists longer.
I'd be all four for the separation of the communities, we dont really have same priorities and demands like you guys in samp do.
As well as that one random samp'er bumping into IVMP topics all the time bashing it as whole.

[Mark]

Wow expected a much better response than this childish junk you've posted

it was a gif

If you read what i suggested, its just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you wont be abandoning it anytime soon.
Most thing I hate is seeing that people who built empires and got lots of cash dont want to have people compete with them and want them to follow the same path they took.

Thats just so selfish , you think about p2p most of in-game process , whats going to happen and how you will be affected.

You DONT GET the bigger picture that the Server is falling down, less number of players, more downtimes.

You simply want to the the same old policy, if you think to change things to a better way, believe me it will.
All items in-game are simply codes so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you cant pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

There is nothing more ridiculous than having to convince yourself that the only way to support the server is by donating cash that will give you an unfair advantages over others in-game. You're not asking simply bonuses, you're asking for perks that will help you in making cash faster by speeding up some values. The idea could partially work if you gave this opportunity also to the addicts who spend alot of time on the jobs you mentioned or growing weed.
What i see is you being lazy and jealous, trying to help the server in a wrong way and at same time focusing on cash made by others in a virtual world where the only thing you are told to do is interact and have fun with others.

There is no big picture to be seen, you're all tripping on the words of a few morons who think they know everything when they're just making assumptions.

btw if you checked the argonath club website you'd see argo is in crowdfunding since 2015, what else do you want? If you donated it means you're helping the owner to keep the servers alive which is more than enough for a non selfish person like you or i'm wrong? You're not just looking at personal gain over other players, right?

[Vitorrio]

We need to build a wall between IV:MP and SA:MP players!

Why? It's like what Trump said about the Mexican people. You know, it isn't good to put borders at all. We all need to know what is happening inside and outside a country/community. I hope you understand why I said that, Hevar.

[Ramis]

it was a gif

Gif or not , stupid and immature asf

[Marcel]

The reason for current down time issue is not clear to all, but what is clear is that Teddy is working on fixing it.

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

[Ramis]

What is clear is that Teddy won't be fixing it. He left the community and he was right in doing so.

Wow , the things are coming quicker than expected. 

Now all my blablas about inevitable server death if we dont do anything , will bump into someone's heads finally.

[Vitorrio]

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.

Spoiler for Hiden:

What's next, pay to get unbanned??

In the meantime of those 8 pages of useless blabber, we haven't gone anywhere. Just a waste of text, that's what it is. Anyway, this isn't going to change the fact that we all are immature sometimes when we feel strongly that we are right. But you don't hear me complaining about what things DeeJay had done wrong to me. (Even though I brought it up, I am sorry for that)
The point is, and I think this is where we need to stick around to, we've become bored of doing these things because many people didn't want to just give up on buying cars or houses.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Oh, and please, refrain from the insults, they are just wrong and don't prove anything.

I've heard people from the SA:MP community that they got bored of so many commands to learn instead of roleplaying them and using their imaginations. I've heard Cofiliano say on a deleted topic that going to RS 4.1 (I think) was a big mistake because everyone had to recover and he simply just got bored of that. Although, he did say that he felt the update was necessary because it was synchronizing with the new features of SA:MP. Anyway, I've observed that many players understand that by improving the Roleplay we need to add more and more commands. Not even close! In my opinion, I think that I know what the root to that problem is. We made them understand that way. Instead of going and leading by example on how to understand each other and be nice with one another, we focused ourselves on the money and on being more important than we were. Who remembers the old admin DeeJay? Well, he was thinking he was very important, but when he left the admin duty, nobody remembered him, because he wasn't nice to them and didn't help the community that much. One more thing, then I'll rest my case for now. Many of you are suffering of the "member berry disease", meaning that you like remembering stuff a bit better than it really was.

Spoiler for Hiden:

The member berries

You know, people after a war think that it was terrible, but, after decades from that, they think that it was an awesome thing that happened to their lives (or maybe not that far). Anyway, I don't find roleplaying so interesting in a game, but I've seen the "old days" roleplay type. It is good, but, quite long.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Too bad we can't really interact with each other in a game.

Spoiler for Hiden:

If you read what I suggested, it's just bonuses.
Nothing special.
You pay for something, you get something.
You continue playing more and more because you know that you put money into the server, you won't be abandoning it anytime soon.
All items in-game are simply codes, so nothing is being consumed.
But because it can affect you and your Roleplay, or simply because you can't pay.
You'd rather see the server die than stand up and help it.

Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play .

So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

I'm sorry that I had to bump this in, but I would appreciate it if you would read what I said.

[ahmedXD]

I don't really understand those charts, they all are really messy, but, from what I've seen, there have been donators, but the outcome was negative (correct me if I'm wrong). Now, I want all of us to be serious. Many of us don't have cards on us or don't have 200 Euros/$ at us at this very moment. It is okay. We are not obliged to pay anything at all.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Man, look. Freemium games are made 99% of people who don't pay and 1% of addicts. There are many people who pay poorly for in-game items and others who don't pay at all and have all items in that game. And the Roleplay doesn't have to do that much with the scripted jobs. I myself don't have a problem with waiting 1 minute for the plant to be harvested. I don't. It gives the officers time to interact with me and for me to roleplay something to stall them. For example, I do a magic trick in front of them. Roleplaying isn't about advantages over others or winning. It is about having fun and trying something you could not in your real life. Just like children play games taking roles. They don't pay money to have fun, they just step outside and take even sticks to play .

So, probably you should just be nicer to each other and try to help the new players, you mean the galaxy to them (and I mean it). I rest my case.

Those are estimation of 2014,2015 when you couldnt join in IV while getting full server on daily basis, still it went to -
Samp had lots of players as well, its falling behind as well.

Lets look at this donation thing from another prespective, those who donate will also plan a longer stay in the server+ support it.
From personal experiance argonathrpg is the best server out there, we dont need to make it pay for play, but donators who get bonuses is attractive.
No they arent recognized in forums or ingame as vip, they simply are satisfied by who they are and what they have done.

From personal experiance again, I would rather play on a pay for play server because its more intersting.
Pure RP will still be in this.
In fact smart criminal as that rank suggests no suspection for growing weed is real.

Good criminal in real life know how to trick officers.
So this doesnt ruin RP either.

Regarding being immune to a ban, its not an option.
All server rules are followed.
If you get banned permanently, you wont get a refund.

This overall serves not only the economic part in the server, but also makes more people attractive to join the server and what newly features it involves.
So marketing also plays a role into this.

Gandalf has set a term for donation that you wont be treated specially, I see it as its "uneffective" so therefore this whole thing is a message to him to reconsider and hopefully make donation count as a bonus to donators.

This is how I think that Argonathrpg will be better than what it already is.

This is the time to forget about what experiance will happen to you or any side effects it will have.

Its not that I'm expecting to donate, but for someone else to donate and feel fully happy and satisfied about it.

As christmas or on occasions we can lower donation prices for same items.

More and more donation will favor the server and more people are going to be attached to playing longer in the server.

Im expecting a better community while suggesting  this.
So again if you have another way that will benefit the community other than it benefiting yourself please tell me.