Dialog with the Owners

[Chase]

I'm not saying that the Vision in that of itself should be disregarded, but the current discussions about a "hardcore" server are in contradiction to what you've said about Argonath not being a strict roleplay server...

...As for the Argonath Vision in that of itself, I've no issues with it by any means, it's there to ensure a positive atmosphere.

To make it clear - the only discussions we will accept - its a gameplay/ideas possible script exploits and etc...
If there is a problem with rules and its running - it can be under discussion but in the way of (look = script exploits) and possible fixing it...
Those who want tons of script commands - we will check every on exploits as well and its positive affect on OUR game vision... I find it fair enough - if owner knows what he wants he can normal develop it, if owner will run after every opinion which is different for every player - will be a mess in community and on server...

I think this sums up what everyone was wondering about with you guys' return.. for better or for worse.

[Aragorn]

While I can't speak on behalf of the developers, managers, division leaders, and community leaders, I certainly do not think they would appreciate you guys coming back after all these years and reverting their efforts to keep the community alive while you, Gandalf, and Sauron were gone. A lot of work has been put in to the rules and the scripts of all servers by many dedicated people, some of which have even put forth their own real money to improve things.
All I ask of you is to please be careful and considerate when changing or reverting anything, and don't go all scorched earth.

We appreciate all work which was done by admins and developers - and it is not under discussions even if they would have some arguments between each other - thats a work... I am personally proud of all work they did to keep Argonath alive... And I am really happy to see veterans who are chilling around...

Right now there will start a big work with organizing the whole system and community so that all parts of its developing CAN run...
We had a conversations with servers developers/ reading their conversations to get know more closer to things that are around...
Do not expect from me after coming back running around and banning admins and developers - that is just silly...
But...

You want the work organization? You want a good organized admins and developers teaming? You want there be the last stand of all arguing? You want here be people who are in charge about all Argonath? You want the old Argonath times popularity? You will get it...

[Aragorn]

Listen guys we were just talking with Gandalf and decided to implement one thing which we are used sometimes to happen...
Those who are not agree with our RP style and want more strict roleplay or more additional rules, different admins work different vision on how to run server...

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

You think you can do better - show it... Yeah?

[Mac Taylor]

Hello, welcome back to you all.

I am going to be honest, I hope you do not mind my honesty and I expect you guys to think of it and give it more time of thoughts.

I will mainly speak of the VMP server, I am part of its administration team and I have been playing it since it's the first day, spending almost 12 hours daily on the server alone or with other players. As you have heard, VMP was going very well at the beginning with peak players 40 players. However, recently, it barely goes to 5. We as A-Team had discussions with the community in VMP discord, if you wish to see all of those discussions feel free to join and see the input of the community yourself.

The main discussion was about the type of the server and rules, is our server a free-roam server or is it an actual  Roleplay server? ALL, yes ALL, with no exclusions of the players who engaged us with those discussions have agreed and suggested to take a major step in clarifying the server's type and put basic and proper RP rules. This is a community demand, we as A-team, started to work on this, we made drafts, plans, had discussions, and much more to balance between proper RP environment and the current Argonath general vision. 


Why do we need to change the server vision -RP rules?

- The current generation of players isn't the same as it was back then around 2009-2013, there is a big difference. GTA V is the modern GTA, whoever will go join a free-roam/light RP server when he has the GTA Online (I think you aren't aware of what GTA online is, but it's the stock multiplayer made by Rockstars with enormous of updates, scripts, features, missions, huge player base...etc That's where you can have fun with free-roam.)


- We had a lot of arguments, the toxic attitudes between players and groups....why? Because every one of them didn't know the meaning of the RP properly. Unfortunately the idea of "Leading by example" is not working with those players who have egos to sit and listen to the good advice from another one. 

- All major and successful communities are more complex than what we are, we are in 2020, not 2009. Worth to note, the whole community didn't wish to make it really complex, they just asked for the basic RP environment. The middle level between free-roaming and complex rules.

- I would like to ask you to take a look at the RageMP master list, see other communities' player base, and look at the difference.

- Those few players left in the community are the ones that have been trying to survive with this community when you guys were away for a long time. It's not appropriate to come after this time and disappoint them by refusing their ideas about the vision. At least try to start a discussion with the community and maybe you may get convinced why we need a change.



In V, the players suggested having a basic change in the RP environment, a good environment that allows actual RPers to enjoy and allows everyone to enjoy away from nonsense RP scenarios.

[Aragorn]

Why do we need to change the server vision -RP rules?

Read my previous post...

[Mac Taylor]

Listen guys we were just talking with Gandalf and decided to implement one thing which we are used sometimes to happen...
Those who are not agree with our RP style and want more strict roleplay or more additional rules, different admins work different vision on how to run server...

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

You think you can do better - show it... Yeah?

Well, why not implement them on the current servers that we worked on building them up as well? It worth a try, you have joined V the whole day yesterday and no one was motivated to play there. I can assure you it's about the change in the RP environment, I have a lot of people who wish to return back with their group if there is a proper RP environment set.


EDIT: I am speaking only of V server based on community discussions we had before.

[Kowalski.]

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...

So, create another Argonath server just to prove a point?

Aragorn, what the community wants is to have more roleplay. That's why the discussions on these rules were happening.

We don't have to disregard the Argonath Vision entirely, but a community can't operate if its players don't agree with the way it's being run. We need to do things that this community wants too, Aragorn. If we want a set of stricter roleplay rules, then there's no reason it shouldn't be considered.

I posted this in the V:MP discord but it's worth mentioning here too:

Go with a "hybrid":

Have some slightly stricter roleplay rules for the sake of interactions that everyone's able to enjoy, while not being a pedal-to-the-medal hardcore roleplay server, so it satisfies both the Argonath Vision and allows all sorts of roleplay and creativity or whatever else it states, and satisfies the players too, in regards to what they want and where they want to see the community go.

Easiest way I can put it

[Aragorn]

Well, why not implement them on the current servers that we worked on building them up as well? It worth a try, you have joined V the whole day yesterday and no one was motivated to play there. I can assure you it's about the change in the RP environment, I have a lot of people who wish to return back with their group if there is a proper RP environment set.
EDIT: I am speaking only of V server based on community discussions we had before.

You can take your players and go on a strict RP Argonath server... Why not implement? Cos we already know how it will end up...
We can give you server - implement there as much as you want...

I was not roleplaying and I was not up to that... If you are not motivated to play there - start running your own server which we suggest - that should motivate you and your friends better... You can put there the scripts YOU want, the rules YOU want, the vision YOU want...

Do not think that we came back here just for listening to you and do what YOU want... If you will find yourself on owners place at fully yours server you will understand my point...

And once again - NO, we are not here to build a "proper (from someones point) RP"... We are here to run things as we were running it before...
Do not agree? Sorry... I did my best to explain... Mayde Gandalf will explain better but do not expect it from him - either we start working on Argonath or we are getting in endless blah blah about vision...

[Aragorn]

Have some slightly stricter roleplay rules for the sake of interactions that everyone's able to enjoy

You will never find any server where all are able to enjoy... Every server has shitty discussions about server work, rules and attitude... Yeah - another server to prove your words... We can talk endless - we give a possibility not just blah blah but prove it to us and run the strict RP community if you will manage it...

Thats how we did with rules moaners before - we were just giving admins rights to those who complained most of all... So that they can face themselves with the issue... Very productive and saying option you know...

[Aragorn]

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

[Chase]

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

The SAMP creator decided to make the "internet" tab mirror the "hosted" tab which you have to pay for. I don't know if Argonath is still on the hosted tab.

[Chase]

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

[Khm]

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

If you're talking about SAMP it's a problem from the modification's end not the server however the server is on a paid (paid from KJones and Haldir) hosted tab so it appears on that list to attract new players.

[Mac Taylor]

Fuck...
I could not even see Argonath in master list because there was noone when I was joining yesterday...
And you fucking blame me now that I was there yesterday and no any shit was motivated...

Stop this fucking crap it is already pissing me off, pff...

If this is directed to my comment, well I didn't blame anyone, I just voiced my opinion that you have asked for earlier with this topic. You probably misunderstood my reply anyway.

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

i think this is fair enough, worth a try hopefully

[jNewtonik]

We will just give you another Argonath server where you can create on your own and prove to us that you were right...
Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...)))

An Argonath "Classic Edition" vs Argonath "Modern Edition". Sounds interesting to me.

It sounds like a good plan to prevent the moaning and see the real results. ''Simple, effective, does not need a lot of discussions...''