Dialog with the Owners

[Norrage]

A poll from 2016. And they say we live in the past 

Might give an indication but surely it is time for a new poll

[Sauron]

Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..

It was given to someone promising to lead and run it, ended up running it in to the ground by trying to make it in to strict RPG . Domain still exists so we can revive it any time.

[Brian]

I've also been in talks about a Rust server with several people, its on a list of things people have requested over the years, We have had a rust server on several occasions too but it was mostly done through hosting paid by leaders themselves. I personally would like to see Argonath expand more in to different games, or even seasonal servers that could be started up again during periods of new fun updates or when players request it (or just keep running permanently and recruit moderators that are active at the time)
I feel the other community leaders felt the same way and it was a good prospect looking forward.

I am hoping that you as the owners are able to assist with that and provide those resources now you are active again, we have people experienced with managing game servers and other services(Up to a professional level) and keeping those things running on the latest updates is something easy to do if given the chance.

I do how ever have a suggestion.

You have five capable Community Leaders, people that have worked and cared for this community while you were gone, ensured we kept things running, and doing their best to keep things running with sometimes limited accessibility, spending their free time you mentioned in your posts a few times.

Why is it that they are barely involved in the plans you have, who know little more about what's going on than the other people seeing the posts appear in this forum topic.

Seeing you back is a sight for sore eyes but you have a team of people that have been working together closely for the past few years, not fighting about which server is better, more active, which staff member is better, how much cooler this or that playstyle is, people that are supposed to be part of leading the community be completely clueless about what is going on, other than the scarce amount of information that is provided.


I understand you are just back and you need time to collect knowledge of what is going on and to set your own plan in action but it would be nice for you to also share a bit of that with the people that are supposedly leading the community, as they want to help, a good team of people that have been talking with the community, veterans, new players, different ways of getting those new players, ideas for the community, reasons of why people left, reasons of why things went wrong, and solutions to those problems.


Yes, you have experience, you build this community from the ground up, but you were gone for a while while we were doing our best to manage, and it'd be nice to receive a little bit of the respect that we have shown to your community over the years back from you.

[Brian]

Also to those speaking about Paruni, we still have the code and should be able to start a server back up if people would like it back.

[Khm]

Veeeery glad you brought Paruni to the matter. I, myself literally grew up in the CS 1.6 server since late 2007 (known as Ntinos there) and ended up here on Argonath in 2010. In late 2015 after a conversation with Gandalf joined [R*]'s DM division in order to boost activity right along with my good old buddy @GakgosseN and a couple of other oldies such as Indigo and Ramboten only to watch the entire project blow up in our face due to lack of solid background support. The CS:GO DM server was fairly successful and occasionally hitting very sufficient numbers of players such as 30 to 40 a week.

I'd more than love to participate in Paruni being brought back to life from whatever angle possible. Player, admin, leader or whatever spot needs to be filled. In fact I wouldn't mind contributing with the hosts and all. Paruni has been my entire childhood and I'd love to have a glimpse in the past.. for good this time.

I can see many possibilities in Paruni playing a vital role in order to boost Argonath as a whole. Like it always has been.

I'm definitely sure Indigo will want to have a say in this.. if one of you guys can still reach him. He was by far the greatest leader Paruni ever had. @Gandalf @Aragorn

What happened to Paruni?
There was decent activity when we opened Paruni and the CS servers took off quite fast as I remember, we had like a few severs that was often full.
It's where the growth really can take off, both communities can and should benefit from each other.

Rust is a game where it can attract new people to the community. A well established Rust server with mature & fair admins go a long way and has great potentiel there..

It was given to someone promising to lead and run it, ended up running it in to the ground by trying to make it in to strict RPG . Domain still exists so we can revive it any time.

True he drove it to the ground but that wasn't the reason. It was a DM community to begin with there's no way to create a RPG server there.

[Bennzy]

Also to those speaking about Paruni, we still have the code and should be able to start a server back up if people would like it back.

Start a poll and see if people want it back or not.

[Aragorn]

I understand you are just back and you need time to collect knowledge of what is going on and to set your own plan in action but it would be nice for you to also share a bit of that with the people that are supposedly leading the community

Ahah... Well the first plan was exactly to involve the devs into our plans but after this topic I hardly will involve in my plans people who started blaming me in all possible way to introduce themselves clean and holy of cos with all "due to respect"... Business is not doing this way... That is why I said - those who do not trust us (and they have a reason for that) just can work on other Argonath server... Those who trust us (and I see it is a very small amount of players) well time will show it up for both sides and they will be involved in teamwork...

We were not for a long time here, words are nothing as we are not trusted any more... What can we do? Just do our work and then arrive back with the results... Better to arrive with the results to people who already have no idea what is Argonath vision and again show them what it is exactly then sit and argue if our vision deserves to live or not...

Thats why I cannot involve people right now as they are against our style... Forgot they or not - does not matter - it is a work and its a business and I run business only with people whom I trust and who trusts me... That is not a blame, notice, I understand the point of veterans "Fuck Aragorn is back now he will fuck up our work". developers are scared and it means lack of assurance... We cannot provide anything and I do not want to bring hot speeches we will make cool as they are empty right now... I mentioned once-twice here or there - and that is all for now...

[Aragorn]

I also understand your point - arrived old times Aragorn, he is out of date, we know better what is modern...
But be careful next time - who knows maybe the new arrived guys are more modern then you...

I am also sorry for my words which could insult in this topic, as the truth coming out hard and sometimes needs something to motivate it... That is why thanks for your opinions, they will be on forum and I will read it not once or twice again as I would like the complete understanding of every word you wrote...

I know you all are not bad guys and I know that every veteran did his best for sure... But to talk about teamwork means to listen also to the owners and not a way of "playing only one goal", this will not work sorry... Right now I did not see from devs of Argo any attempt to listen to me... opposite everyone was trying to press on me to take your point of view... this will not work either will make things worse at least if to talk about Aragorn...
So I hope you will find some point from my side as well... Or maybe not... That is up to you...

[TheGreasyChopper]

Speaking of alternatives to GTA, did anything ever come out of Hand of Law? I was pretty hyped for that thing.

As for those who "lead" our community, ya'll had enough time and honestly.

Thats why I cannot involve people right now as they are against our style...

Such people have been involved long enough. The King is back and the peasants are upset 

[Kowalski.]

It's all good that you want to work with the original Argonath Vision, but I think the ideas and thoughts of players are just as important.

It's not about blaming you, it's about wanting the work we've done so far to keep going forward to create a better environment overall.

Stricter role play rules, for example, don't go against the vision as though it's another community, they're just slightly more roleplay-oriented so that there's no bullshit during roleplay.

I think what we need to do is weigh up both ends, make educated decisions with the players and the community leaders, and finally, decide on things as a community.

Just my friendly input.

[Brian]

I am unsure where in my post did you see doubt in trust or me caring at all what direction the community was heading in to, it shows how little you actually know about myself or the other community leaders, or how little interest you have in learning to know us.

You also keep calling us devs, known to me as developers. While I have put my hand to adjusting code here and there I've never been a full time developer for Argonath, not that it matters as you, Gandalf or Sauron have barely reached out to myself or other CLs. I've never cared for where the vision points or what direction Gandalf wanted the server to head in because at the end of the day it was his community.

I am unsure if you misunderstood my point, but what I was trying to say is, while you were away, and while Gandalf was absent, a few people have been running this community, you have returned, and this is exciting. But we are neglected completely, you act like we do not exist, you do not care for anything we seem to have to tell you, which is fine, it is your community, but some type of direction, or perhaps to hear what you expect of us would be nice.

You keep telling people they'll get their own space, or can choose to create their own community, but people still want Argonath to thrive, but it feels like that doesn't matter to you, different opinions are not allowed even if they are just that, opinions, and that sucks, it feels like I have tried keeping this community running as smoothly as I could for years, I've always respected your and other leaders wishes, cause I enjoy doing what I do.

I have known of you, yes Aragorn. But I have also only known you since you replied to me giving you your Rockstar forum password, I have probably spent the same amount of years on Argonath, if not more than you, and for many of those years probably did similar tasks to you in leading this community, so I am sorry if this place means perhaps as much to me as it does to you. This is the same for many of the other leaders, staff members, and also many of the veterans, and each have we put many years towards trying to make this community a better place, each in our own way.

For you to say that I do not trust you, or perhaps that you do not trust me purely because my opinion differs from yours feels like a low blow, especially cause I personally would not care if you wanted to create a certain server your way, if I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't play it, I'd keep to my part of this community, just like you, but that also does not mean I won't help if requested of me, and as the days pass it seems like there's no interest to ask me or others anything anyways.


TLDR, at the end of the day, this is your community, and a bit of it is mine, and that part will always be with me, and I will always work to protect it and make it a better place, no matter what position I am in, all I ask is that you perhaps take the time to get to know us, get to know your community, more than a five minute chat where you ask us questions, and we are being treated like we're stupid, or like we don't know anything.

There'll be no hard feelings from me, it is like it is at the end of the day, I don't think Gandalf ever liked me, and that's fine, it never bothered me too much, but as much respect as I have for you and Gandalf, Sauron, and many of the old leaders and players, perhaps instead of judging others for what is wrong with our opinions or why we see certain things, get to know the community and how it got to where we are now, we've made our mistakes, but I doubt any of us are saints.

[Rei]

I come back and I see CL-s pointing fingers at Owners and the other way around, what am I to expect from this community when all its shown so far is corruption, arrogance, selfishness? You can't build something great without a strong foundation.

[Aragorn]

Speaking of alternatives to GTA, did anything ever come out of Hand of Law?

Guy you have a great sense of feeling...

[Aragorn]

It's all good that you want to work with the original Argonath Vision, but I think the ideas and thoughts of players are just as important.

Your words just show that you have no idea what is Argonath vision that is why to discuss it has no sense... I suppose that you all were told already by some players that we are not listening to players and their ideas - thats a bullshit... And the whole Argonath is a prove to that...
With that I will not continue the fight with this wind moles and will not waste my time...

[Aragorn]

But we are neglected completely, you act like we do not exist, you do not care for anything we seem to have to tell you

Well try other way to tell me without pointing fingers that I was absent... I will not continue to put in every post greetings and thanks... Once I said - I liked your work - it is not under discussions... I either did not tell that I will remove you or your work - strange that you are all afraid of what was not even pointed by me - so decided for me what I will do and now trying to fight it I suppose... Well fight, but it is your vision on Aragorn and not Aragorn as I am... Why you all are afraid still makes me think there is some other side of this fear not just "Aragorn can shut down our work"... And that other side I will figure out sooner or later...