[Petition]

[stof]

simple, after you die there is NO coming back! at least for another 2 hours and there is no attacking people who have died.

[Flash]

Yes, This is RP server and we act like IRL..and IRL theres gangs/mafias...and they fight each other

[Pancher]

It's interesting how you work Nitrox, you say Gang war is allowed if admins observes it, so far you make your "fights" without inform any admin, admins find it out themselves what your up to. then you start complain when we tell you to not have one cos you did not inform any admin or contacted them in first case.

Your word is against what you do ingame.. How much trust do you think you get by that?

Now you start a topic that is already made on SA:MP group section..

ADD: I have no problems with "gang wars" if all parties can agree of the terms and make it in a fair way. Not return after death, let dead players leave scene without get shoot at and die 3 times more..

[NitrOx]

Actually, this is a petition! And this is something diffrent then what I am doing in-game, Now I had a nice discussion with Mr president (gdalf) and we try to make a plan for this! Try to make it work!

But thanks for your reaction Pancher! (Redcat) :devroll:

[David_Omid]

Why do you people even want gang wars? Gang wars only prove one thing - how bad the roleplaying skill of the participants really is...

Just because you're in a gang, you think you should have gang wars? Why can't you just go to a deathmatch server and fight there?


I for one am voting NO on this...because the reason we have the current rules is to stop moaning, provoking, deathmatching, revenge killing, complaints, etc...

[NitrOx]

David, it is part of everything, when you had your Zaibatsu Corporation you liked to have a "war" against me with Razor, for example that one time in Blueberry where I got ambushed, I think it should be possible to do but why go to a DM server for doing Gangwars? There are no /me Commands to Imply, atleast here you can Roleplay Guns, SWAT, etc etc..

[cDa]

This is my reason for No

Yes IF it was rped... But you see, people like to complain too much.. i remember old days when we(Montanas) kidnapped Pope Elrond.. he got barely alive, 2 days after it Corleones led by Daniel came,kidnaped us 3 and draged us to mountain to torture us,ofc last words from Daniel were: Greeting from pope..

thats was rped war, we liked it, all who were in it, But what do people call gang war today? 5 guys with same tag chill out and talk in a area of ls minding thier own business, 15 guys with another tag come armed more than Rambo himself and Come gunning in like its World War 3! First group starts reporting,then friends of first group come to join(also armed), second group starts to report like crazy..

Now tell me this: New guy comes to server what does he see? a role play Or just some random Deathmatch server? Ofc he grabs guns and joins the "fun"

That is why NO Gang wars! (at least until people realise the point...)

I think i even answered why server downt allow it, read it carefully, it says all...

[David_Omid]

David, it is part of everything, when you had your Zaibatsu Corporation you liked to have a "war" against me with Razor, for example that one time in Blueberry where I got ambushed, I think it should be possible to do but why go to a DM server for doing Gangwars? There are no /me Commands to Imply, atleast here you can Roleplay Guns, SWAT, etc etc..

That wasn't a gang war...that was some of our guys getting revenge for something you guys did in a roleplay situation


A gang war is when for hardly much of a reason, 2 or more gangs start shooting each other just to see who is best - without any roleplay



It is impossible to agree more with cDa

[Pancher]

I also believe the "They attacked us for an hour ago" or "They killed ___ and ___ before, let's call all we can get to counter attack cos they killed someone this morning.." It's just an endless war.
I don't know if you nitrox remember when Stracci and Gvardia spend a afew days only to fight each others.. And i had alot of complaints and it ended i had to make both sides stop rp with each others for a day or two to calm down the situation, including all flaming over the forums. Hopefully people can take that in consideration to make future "RP" better.

[Cofiliano]

- 2 hours none return after death
- No atacking 30 vs 1-2 online
-NO MOANING OR SPAMING PUBLIC CHAT
-Have to HAVE BIG RP reason for it
-Try to EVADE populated places ( LSPD, GS9 etc etc )
-Keep involved only people from EACH group ( + 1or 2 person), not having 10 alieds group on one side, and 10 alieds group on other, cause then its half of server vs half of server
-Must NOT have Random atack on other group members

This is the RULES we use vs Stracci, Vs Araatus ( since its 20 min none return cause Panda wants it like that), you NEVER gonna hearda complain, unless if someone breaks does rules. All Groups shoud give there opinion, woud they fallow this SIMPLE rules...

and yes, its EASY like that gentlmans....

[NitrOx]

That wasn't a gang war...that was some of our guys getting revenge for something you guys did in a roleplay situation


A gang war is when for hardly much of a reason, 2 or more gangs start shooting each other just to see who is best - without any roleplay



It is impossible to agree more with cDa

No, David you are wrong, as I am describing this term: GangWar as Roleplaying (Using /me Commands)

Also, would that not be called Revenge Killing? Actually - It was Roleplayed Nicely, but perhaps you should know EVERY group in the server is roleplaying, if it is by phone or something, Group Wars ALLWAYS get announced, but there is one Problem as cDa said which I agreed in: The Mass Complaints and Flame, that is one problem, but will that block so many players from having a good time on server? Also I am trying to get NEW terms and perhaps RULES which will make it WORK so instead of complaining at this topic, yes David, please get some FREAKING IDEAS how to FIX IT instead of DISALLOWING it.

Thanks

[David_Omid]

And NitrOx, a petition won't prove anything or get anything solved

You're objective is to prove to administration that the players want gang wars - well we already know this and are sticking to our guns here


The rules are in place to make EVERYONE happy, especially administration which has to deal with an absolute barrage of complaints every time someone kills someone else


We really don't like it when someone makes a petition saying things like "the players want it, let us have it" when it just defeats the object...

If all of us can control ourselves (me with [Z] just a small example) and not go around shooting each other and instead only do so in a very organised roleplay situation, then everyone will be happy...

[Whiteman]

Yes.

[NitrOx]

David, What I am Trying to Imply in this topic is: Getting IDEAS from EVERYONE COMMUNITY-WIDE, not just the ADMIN TEAM, because EVERYONE IN THE SERVER is basically human (except for pancher who is a cat) It is sort of a Refferendum, getting EVERYONES Opinion and EVERYONE IDEAS and CREATING the BEST IDEA out of it, so could you please, and yes david omid, you too, post some IDEAS because I think the system we are using for gang wars right now - Stinks.

Thank you, please post ideas.

[David_Omid]

No, David you are wrong, as I am describing this term: GangWar as Roleplaying (Using /me Commands)

Also, would that not be called Revenge Killing? Actually - It was Roleplayed Nicely, but perhaps you should know EVERY group in the server is roleplaying, if it is by phone or something, Group Wars ALLWAYS get announced, but there is one Problem as cDa said which I agreed in: The Mass Complaints and Flame, that is one problem, but will that block so many players from having a good time on server? Also I am trying to get NEW terms and perhaps RULES which will make it WORK so instead of complaining at this topic, yes David, please get some FREAKING IDEAS how to FIX IT instead of DISALLOWING it.

Thanks

1. everyone has a different definition of the words "gang war" - to some it is a roleplay event, to others it is team deathmatch

2. well considering we didn't die, it wasn't revenge killing...we were getting revenge for something else

3. gang wars do not get announced to admins for example, which is why we don't allow most of it as we have no idea what the hell is going on when a load of reports come through

4. if blocking complaints means blocking two or three gangs from shooting each other, so be it

5. we are not complaining, we are giving OUR opinion just like you are giving YOURS

6. here's my idea which suits pretty much everyone - disallow it. We don't need to think of ideas which will allow it, just because you want us to...