[Petition]

[Kessu]

I agree with everyone lol.
Gang wars are good if done right, with good RP reason, without flaming/complain/returning from deaths.
BUT, that is VERY unlikely that no complais will come, because people will get back to there after dieing.
I voted no, because flaming/complains will come with gang wars...

[Pancher]

many suggestions are good, but problem is, are everyone ready to follow these if it would go live and be used, is there something that should be more or less strict of them?

[NitrOx]

I agree with everyone lol.
Gang wars are good if done right, with good RP reason, without flaming/complain/returning from deaths.
BUT, that is VERY unlikely that no complais will come, because people will get back to there after dieing.
I voted no, because flaming/complains will come with gang wars...

Kessu as I stated: Im trying to find something for Flaming/Complain/Returning from deaths.

How about this? Flame = Ban - Complain = Ban - Revenge kill = Ban.

[David_Omid]

David, that is one of the goals I am trying to imply here;

-Stop the Complaints.
-Stop the Flaming
-There is NOT always a lack in roleplay allready so that doesnt really needs fixing, because currently at this rate; the Main Groups ARE having lots and lots of roleplay in it.

Thank you.

Administration has been achieving this goal for a long time...know how?

By disallowing it...simple

[Cofiliano]

-Stop the Complaints.
-Stop the Flaming
-There is NOT always a lack in roleplay allready so that doesnt really needs fixing, because currently at this rate; the Main Groups ARE having lots and lots of roleplay in it.

This is our Goal^


This is a EXAMPLE, with lots of Edit how shoud we do it :

 2 hours none return after death
- No atacking 30 vs 1-2 online
-NO MOANING OR SPAMING PUBLIC CHAT
-Have to HAVE BIG RP reason for it
-Try to EVADE populated places ( LSPD, GS9 etc etc )
-Keep involved only people from EACH group ( + 1or 2 person), not having 10 alieds group on one side, and 10 alieds group on other, cause then its half of server vs half of server
-Must NOT have Random atack on other group members

[NitrOx]

Yes, David, the Administration, but Argonath RPG isn't Communist State, we are a DEMOCRACY, and do you know what holding back the wars will give? Complaints, Complaints, Complaints; I am trying to get a conclusion to this PROBLEM with EVERYONE INVOLVED ! instead of only the Administration! As I stated: WE ALL ARE HUMAN, AND WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS TO DO THINGS AND TO THINK!
Post Merge: June 19, 2009, 02:31:53 pmCofi, I think the 2 Hours should be changed towards 4 Hours or so.

[Kessu]

I say gang wars should not be allowed.


 :ps: Banning for complaining...

[NitrOx]

Gee, Kessu, have you ever been in an Gang War? Probably not since you just immigrated into San Andreas Multiplayer; if you would know the Enjoyment it gives people you would most likely agree - but I have a suggestion for now:

Allow Wars under following terms:

Do not complain
Do not flame
Do not moan
Do not whine

For Admins:

Do not interrupt it by freezing;
Do not start discussion.

Post Merge: June 19, 2009, 02:35:34 pmIt is VERY simple: Flame=Ban, Main Chat Discussion = Ban.

Perhaps implying that would fix it.

Please more suggestions.

[Cofiliano]

NitrOx i am fine with 24 hours if thats wanted, but i know other groups will say : OMFG 2 hours!?  So please people, represenitive of other Crimnal Group, make YOUR sugestion, of how shoud this work out...

[Kessu]

Gee, Kessu, have you ever been in an Gang War? Probably not since you just immigrated into San Andreas Multiplayer; if you would know the Enjoyment it gives people you would most likely agree - but I have a suggestion for now:

Allow Wars under following terms:

Do not complain
Do not flame
Do not moan
Do not whine

For Admins:

Do not interrupt it by freezing;
Do not start discussion.

Post Merge: June 19, 2009, 02:35:34 pmIt is VERY simple: Flame=Ban, Main Chat Discussion = Ban.

Perhaps implying that would fix it.

Please more suggestions.

I have been, sorry if it is disappointment to you.
In VCMP, where is EAF and Montana, they do gamg wars right. No coming back from deaths, cops are allowed to join, nobody from other groups. There can be 10vs5, no matter with players, the one matters is, that how it is done and what are the results.
VCMP EAF vs Montana gang war, not even one complain, not even one flame, not even one coming back from deaths, IT IS done right, but in SAMP, as there is new players that WILL join to fight, because they don't know it's gang war, they straight think it's TDM.

[NitrOx]

Kessu, VC-MP is a Small Community,

San Andreas Multiplayer is a HUGE Community, it has to be controlled way BIGGER and it is VERY VERY VERY different the VC-MP.


Thank you

[Kessu]

Kessu, VC-MP is a Small Community,

San Andreas Multiplayer is a HUGE Community, it has to be controlled way BIGGER and it is VERY VERY VERY different the VC-MP.


Thank you

I know, gang wars are also WAY more harder to control, because there is 80+ players to take care of, add gang war to there, it's almost impossible.
Believe I know how it feels to be admin and checking 15+ alone, that is the situation in SAMP right now. One admin checks 15 players.

[9r2e5i3k]

What I meant with my comment about going to a DM server was that it's the easiest and least problematic way of having a gang war. Instead of posting topics like this or making gang wars without admins knowing about it, you could just go to a DM server and settle it there. Oh, and you wouldn't waste money on weapons.

And the second point is that all I've seen from gang wars is team deathmatch with some additional rules. And don't try to say it's not TDM, because a group vs group shoot-out IS a TDM. And a 'war' is not only shooting at others. You should try some other things, eg. stealing the other mafia's cars from their HQ or something... of course to prevent whining you should talk about it and make it 2-way (first round A steals from B, second round it's vice versa).

[NitrOx]

Go to a DM server? Oh please, here is a little list of what we would miss out on:

- /me Commands
- Police/SWAT trying to get the situation under control
- Negotiating
- Roleplay Situations for Civilians (/hide etc)
Post Merge: June 19, 2009, 02:54:39 pmIn real life weapons are NOT free at all by the way.

[David_Omid]

Go to a DM server? Oh please, here is a little list of what we would miss out on:

- /me Commands
- Police/SWAT trying to get the situation under control
- Negotiating
- Roleplay Situations for Civilians (/hide etc)
Post Merge: June 19, 2009, 04:54:39 amIn real life weapons are NOT free at all by the way.

If you want /me commands, make your own server with your OWN /me command!

If you want police/SWAT, go to a deathmatch server with police and SWAT

negotiation never happens in gang wars

you say you want civilians in your gang war? Oh please...no civilian would want to stay around in a gang war to roleplay