Yes.
Obviously support. Same as every criminal and cop should.
Warning: The following post is extremely long.
Go get a scone or something.
Why do you people even want gang wars? Gang wars only prove one thing - how bad the roleplaying skill of the participants really is...
You've never been in a criminal mafia/gang group within alliance structures, so you can't make that (incorrect) point.
Just because you're in a gang, you think you should have gang wars?
Of course, that is one of the main reasons you join a gang, no?
Why can't you just go to a deathmatch server and fight there?
Because, quite frankly, I don't want to have to disconnect, go onto a sucky DM server where others can mess us up, without admins, and without the ability to control retards who return after death - when I could just go to the bloody ammunation and pull up at their HQ 10 minutes later.
I for one am voting NO on this...because the reason we have the current rules is to stop moaning, provoking, deathmatching, revenge killing, complaints, etc...
And a great job its doing, eh?
People will always whine like children - at least allowing gangwars will silence the people who are reasonable.
1. everyone has a different definition of the words "gang war" - to some it is a roleplay event, to others it is team deathmatch
Either of which are good, especially when combined.
6. here's my idea which suits pretty much everyone - disallow it.
The issue with this statement is that this doesn't suit everyone. Gangwars f**king rock, and disallowing it makes every single gang/mafia member a very unhappy bunny.
Gangs who cry and moan when they get attacked should be banned. Only people who return from death should be reported. Constant attacking should be allowed. If you can't defend yourselves as a gang 24/7, then you suck.
People have complained when they lost, or have complained because of SWAT/ARPD intervention and suspecting those partaking.
Well as I said above, people should not complain if they 'lose' and especially not when the SWAT get involved. I mean, half the reason we do it is so that we can have a nice roleplay with the other gang along with the ARPD.
Look at the Battle of Angel Pine, we crashed the bloody server because we were all fighting - and it bloody rocked 100%.
Easiest is to go to a deathmatch server.
No, going to a deathmatch server is bloody annoying, because you have to organise with the other gang "Ok, now you guys we will fight then, meet up to kill each other : ) : ) : )" which is totally unrealistic and crap. Attacks should be unexpected and brutal, but expect equal brutality as a reply.
Simply because EVERYONE complaints
I resent that bullshit statement, the Araatus Yakuza never complains at being attacked and I personally have never, ever filed a /report or email, or moaned in public chat, about being attacked. It you win, then good for you! If you die, even hilariously within about 7 seconds, then suck it up and prepare to retaliate.
Administration has been achieving this goal for a long time...know how?
By disallowing it...simple
Sadly however, every single gang resents this rubbish rule and blatantly steps on it when they please. The few times when the hammer comes down are when people get pissed.
Oh, and you wouldn't waste money on weapons.
The monetary aspect of gangwars is one of the most important things about them. A rich gang can engage in war with a large (but poor) gang to bleed them of all their money. Money makes gangwars interesting, weighing the risk ("shall I spend this on weapons, or not and end up maybe getting killed?").
And don't try to say it's not TDM, because a group vs group shoot-out IS a TDM.
Yes... I don't think anybody has ever tried to dispute that. :conf:
You should try some other things, eg. stealing the other mafia's cars from their HQ or something...
Killing them creates far less of a problem, the example you mentioned strikes me as being very immature, but maybe thats just me, the guy who kicks for carjacking.
If you want /me commands, make your own server with your OWN /me command!
Huh?
If you want police/SWAT, go to a deathmatch server with police and SWAT
That doesn't even make any sense.
negotiation never happens in gang wars
Wrong.
you say you want civilians in your gang war? Oh please...no civilian would want to stay around in a gang war to roleplay
Correct, they would run away.
Please don't try to tell me that a civilian in the crossfire can't just run off in SA-MP, where the desync is heavy enough as it is. Most civilians who die in gangwars, are actually not innocent bystanders. They are part of it or sitting around to watch (which is their own silly choice).
Paruni exists for a reason, NitrOx...
Are you seriously asking us to take our serious gangwar to Paruni? Really?
Damn, the weapons don't even cost any money. And you can't paint your cars. And you got the wrong skin. Probably the wrong name too. Also, you have to share the IP - which is just a b
itch. Also you have to organise a time for the fight with your rivals, which is just retarded on so many levels.
Not so simple, really.
My opinion is that of pretty much every administrator on this server who doesn't want to sit around all day answering sodding reports because YOU people can't sort things out!
Speak for yourself, plenty of admins will agree to allow gangwars. I've never dealt with a gangwar report that wasn't valid before.
Do I care that non-admins don't agree with us? Frankly I don't...they have NO IDEA how hard doing our job is...
So basically, you're saying that you don't care about the players?
Sure our job is hard, but don't go saying that just because you seem to have issues handling these 'reports' (which I've never actually seen materialise) that other admins have the same issues. We're no different to the players, sure we have a job to do - but that shouldn't shift our opinion just because of the possibility of a (frankly, phantom) workload that may or may not materialise should the rules change.
1. I will never quit my admin job because I enjoy it, despite it being stressful and unrewarding
I don't find admin work that stressful, I like the challenge. Also, if you feel that it is unrewarding, then you are looking at it in all the wrong ways
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3. You can still use Paruni for roleplay if you really want
Not really.
There isn't even a local chat, or a /me command. Fundamental scripts for SA-MP style roleplaying (no, don't throw MTA:VC in my face please).
Or a bunch of other things that I mentioned above.
4. The possibilities (lots more complaints, reports, moaning) are endless!
Really? I just can't seem to get myself behind this idea.
I agree with David, if you want gang wars - goto Paruni, if you want to RP - come to Argonath.
I don't get what you mean. Wars are a fundamental part of Gang/Mafia/Group roleplay.
We do want to roleplay. We're on Argonath. Roleplaying a gang involves fighting sometimes!
Our job is REALLY HARD and you don't know it, because you are reqular non-admin. We do care about non-admins as much as we do care about our-selves, but why make admins job even harder with gang wars? I think our job is hard enough without gang wars already...
As an admin for many months, I can solidly say that the benefits outweigh any potential problems.
Only way to know how hard admin work truly is to be admin yourself.
Which I hope makes my above statement hold a lot more water.
Make a gang war with both sides of agreement in OOC. If someone disagrees, don't force them to do it. You can't force RP Someone.
Totally. If a gang makes a serious OOC effort to avoid gangwars, then they can easily do that. As long as they don't becomes enemies with anybody, they should be left alone (although, that said, doing that gimps your gang totally - which is your own choice in this situation).
Also, no whining, flaming, revenge killing and/or discussion.
QFT.
If so, I'm not the one who will give permission to it and I will ignore complains/flamings/revenge kills/ any other what is the result of gang war.
Ok. If that is your choice, then feel free - nobody forces you to answer specific reports. Manage your workload however you wish, you already do it now as an admin - and you clearly do it very well as I've seen in the server.
Put it this way. I am one of the gang moderators on the forums. I was at one time a Level 4 admin.
At no time in my admin career or my time as a gang mod have I recieved an incorrect report about gang deathmatching. At no time have I ever seen people moaning unreasonably and incorrectly to the admins. I don't think the reservations that admins have about this are reasonable - the benefits outweigh any potential problems.
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