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Reply #165 on: June 21, 2009, 07:30:31 pm
im for it
yes
because non clan wars - non RP



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Reply #166 on: June 21, 2009, 08:46:21 pm
You got Yes from Sons of Silence


I will kick guy that whines/comes back after death from group... Hope this petition gets on Argonath, its pretty boring without gang wars and all ...



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Reply #167 on: June 21, 2009, 08:49:22 pm
I voted yes, if can be controlled like it is between the groups already, then I see no problem with this.

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Reply #168 on: June 21, 2009, 09:18:22 pm
I voted yes, if can be controlled like it is between the groups already, then I see no problem with this.

 :lol: That's why we still get reports of "provoking for gang wars"!? Last i saw that kind of reports was today like 3-5 hours ago..

I hope the gangs can do something about this :)

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Reply #169 on: June 21, 2009, 10:14:03 pm
Dear Pancher,

I see you are still against this Petition and I would like to assure you, that it will be dealt with,

This Petition has not yet been accepted, and there are not much Gang Wars yet online,

I would like to Request Gandalf to Officially accept this Petition so that we can try it out.

Thank you. :)



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Reply #170 on: June 21, 2009, 10:25:08 pm
I hope the gangs can do something about this :)

Does that sound like i don't want it? I say you should make something up so you don't need to scream all over main chat and don't need to report to admins for gang war or dm and other moaning.

I said several times i'm NOT against it, i just said SO FAR no one have showed that you follow what you suggest.. and that we still get reports about gang war and dm when you have big shoot-outs.

If you can make something that everyone agress with and that people can follow i'm positive for it.

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ADD: I have no problems with "gang wars" if all parties can agree of the terms and make it in a fair way. Not return after death, let dead players leave scene without get shoot at and die 3 times more..
many suggestions are good,
If gang leaders will/want help to minimize the amount of DM and flamers and etc that's just a lot of +++++ and supported!.

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Reply #171 on: June 21, 2009, 11:55:40 pm
:lol: That's why we still get reports of "provoking for gang wars"!? Last i saw that kind of reports was today like 3-5 hours ago..

.. which appear purely because you guys have said we aren't allowed.
They don't actually care about the gangwar, they'll fight it - but they reported to admins because you guys actually enforce this now.

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Reply #172 on: June 22, 2009, 12:23:24 am
We had a good meeting today and some points are to be made clear:

- rules about gang wars should be included in the server rules, which they are not at this time
- the rules will be proposed by the gang leaders, and adjusted if needed by the developers

The proposal should include:
- what is understood as a gang war
- what are valid reasons
- how groups should agree to ensure that there is no misunderstanding
- how to avoid gang wars being held constantly
- how to have gang wars while keeping the server friendly for new arriving players
- what are the obligations and actions of admins to be taken
- how can administration declare a gang war valid or invalid

We are waiting this proposal because we feel that we should decrease the number of random shootouts (including thos of a small number of people) while giving the possibility to have a good fight.

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Reply #173 on: June 22, 2009, 12:25:26 am
.. which appear purely because you guys have said we aren't allowed.
They don't actually care about the gangwar, they'll fight it - but they reported to admins because you guys actually enforce this now.
It's good someone at least enforce the rules meanwhile others ignore them... The 'rules' have been stated by the higher authority that it's not allowed, if players not follow a few points..

And yes I'm tired of let them have there "shoot-outs", cos there is a lot of moaning, "revenge killing" and "dm"(not always but to often), which i hope will disappear if/when new proper guidelines will be made by groups to make it more fun for everyone and not make people angry due different reasons like earlier stated...

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Reply #174 on: June 22, 2009, 12:44:37 am
- what is understood as a gang war

A conflict involving two gangs/groups/mafias, including at least one member from each side who is a Leader, Co-Leader or has been given certain rights to engage in fights by the leaders.

- what are valid reasons

Two gangs being enemies, and a perceived aggressive action.
This can include an aggressive act against an ally (and hence retaliating in their place), or encroaching regularly upon headquarters areas. Also, enough verbal attacks (within roleplay, of course) can warrant a physical attack, though probably just an execution.

- how groups should agree to ensure that there is no misunderstanding

A group must agree with the other group that gangwars are to be allowed.
Each attack must not be verified, but the ability to launch them must be validated by both sides (mutual agreement of being enemies, basically).

- how to avoid gang wars being held constantly

Set a good time for 'life respawns', where players cannot return after death.
Each attack would warrant this to begin, including any period of suspection for killing or shooting. This may be hours, frankly. Basically, the entire fight must have died down and all parties be unsuspected before dead can return.
I think you'll find that ultimately, the price of heavy weaponry arming will drive down the number of gangwars in the long run.

- how to have gang wars while keeping the server friendly for new arriving players

Ensure that gangs know not to shoot the new players, unless the new player has a gun and is shooting himself.

- what are the obligations and actions of admins to be taken

Reports of returning must not be on /report, they must be in a PM to the gang leader in question.
If the gang leader in question does not react on his members breaking the rules, then that 'gangwar validation' (as I suggested above) could simply be severed.
E.g. If Araatus fights the Moose Gang, and the Moose gang's soldiers keep returning after death, then I should PM the Moose gang's leader(s). If they do not respond, then Araatus says to the Moose gang "You are not allowed to fight us anymore, gangwar validation severed".
At this point, continued attacks would be easily and simply dealt with by admins. Also, gangwars from groups who have not made validations with the groups they are attacking.

- how can administration declare a gang war valid or invalid

Validations could be posted in a sticky topic on the groups forum.
If a severance of validation comes through, then the leader posts it there. Admins check quickly, and then they know.

Basically, gangs have to agree with one another "Yes, we can attack each other" and make a 'Validation'. At any time, either gang can back out from this agreement (obviously, not in the middle of an actual fight ingame) and post in the sticky topic this. Admins can quickly check if, for example, Araatus can attack Gvardia - and react accordingly.
Actual fight rules such as returning from death are dealt with internally by the gang leaders. Leaders who refuse to punish rulebreakers will very quickly lose all of their validations, and will not be allowed to gangwar anymore.

I think this is a rather nice system, and makes admins jobs simpler. Clearly, reports of hacks are still on /report, as normal, but the topic would quickly indicate "Can Araatus fight Gvardia?.. yes they can, both sides agree." and then they just let it happen. If Gvardia keep returning after death, and leaders refuse to punish, then Araatus severs validation and Gvardia can't attack anymore (and Araatus can't attack Gvardia anymore, also). Same if Araatus members rulebreak, and I refuse to act (although that won't happen :D).
Sorry for using you guys as an example, by the way. :razz:

Thats what I reckon, anyway. Should make it simple to tell "Is this gangwar allowed." and not have to deal with rulebreakers individually as admins (which is one of the major concerns). As a rule, a good return time should be set (2 hours, maybe?). If this is broken, then gangs deal with it internally, leader to leader. Refusal to cooperate = validation severance.

Thanks. :)

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Reply #175 on: June 22, 2009, 01:00:45 am
good



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Reply #176 on: June 22, 2009, 03:22:28 am
@Panda : Ye i know you love us deep in your hart...

Anyway thats it...

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Reply #177 on: June 22, 2009, 08:18:09 am
i voted yes,

why?

gangwars can also be RP, brings a lot of work for all sides in Argonath,
medics/cops/fireman/civillians/mafia

also i know another RP server where gang wars are allowed,
there you must sign up on the forums, so everyone knows about it,
difference is that gangs got turfs there, gangwars are rare though

maybe this is a good thing? a place to sign up for a gangwar,
with the reason for it and a location

and without this sign up a gangwar is not allowed,
so the main admins can accept/deny the gangwar request when they think no good reason,
or that it is to frequent

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Reply #178 on: June 22, 2009, 09:44:00 am
gangwars can also be RP, brings a lot of work for all sides in Argonath,
medics/cops/fireman/civillians/mafia
Yeah, good place to visit to get shot at.

"Can Araatus fight Gvardia?.. yes they can, both sides agree."
You? 1 person VS Gvardia? That's going to be a quite amusing show.



Oh wait, I understand how you imagine it.
A mobster calls 911 and says: "Hello, we are starting a gang-war at Jefferson Hotel, please provide paramedics, police, firemen and witnesses. Thank you." Then, when everyone come, the shooting starts.

Nice, isn't it?  :lol: :rofl:



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Reply #179 on: June 22, 2009, 11:52:14 am

You? 1 person VS Gvardia? That's going to be a quite amusing show.


Araatus can get at least 7 people together, maybe even more...



 


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