[Petition]

[Devin]

Stop...Moaning...Please...And...Combat...Shotgun...Rocks.

i honestly think you didnt read a single word, you come out for no reason and say im moaning , i got the right to my opinion and its not even once off stracci shoot me, every time i go near i get shot and i always find my car there at their HQ now stop telling me what to do, i can share my opinion...

[ChaNce]

Gang wars should not be held 24/7. One gang war per day for me personally is way to often. It should be held once per week maximum in my opinion, as I hardly believe there would be proper reasons to start wars that often...

1 attack daily should be good - Mafias/Gangs/Groups can decide it themselves, if they wanna use their chance of a shootout now or later.

[Chuck_Norris]

He is not sharing any opinion, he is just saying that Straccis attacked him with a combat shotgun -_-

i just read through all 16 pages...
and all i can make of this is people who never RP anything exept a grumpy 'gang' member want a reason to DM and be able to call it something else and not only a reason to DM, now they can call DM a 'gang war' which is just pointless...,

Here's the opinion he has, now stay on topic

[Julian]

Beeing enemies is a proper reason.

By the way, no there wouldn't be gangwars 24/7, if we would set a limit for daily attacks, it would be fine.

1 attack daily should be good - Mafias/Gangs/Groups can decide it themselves, if they wanna use their chance of a shootout now or later.

Agreed.
And a gang shootout and getting attacked should be a suprise, instead of making up how everything should be in the war with both sides.
Gang wars can also be good RP.
People should be able to handle that, and getting attacked at any time any day. It's just something you should be able to take when you're in a criminal group.

[Gandalf]

I got something to say.
I didn't try to create any new rules, but you moderated me for that reason.
Why?
I have the right for my opinion, and my expression - as long as it isn't meant towards anyone.
"Follow them or stop posting". What do you mean by that? Should I follow them or stop posting and NOT follow them?
You probably couldn't find any good answer for my statement, that's why you moderated me?

Lets not mix up things. You used a ridiculous amount of smilies which is against any forum etiquette and got warned for it by an owner. Then you decide to object to that as you feel entitled to use them.
This is reason to get you to moderated status, with the very clear reason that  I set the rules and its up ti you to abide by them. If you wish to be allowed to use 100 smilies in your posts, make it a suggestion.

But, let's drop that. As I probably know why you moderated me. No good answer on that you did NOT have.
Though, you have to settle something up with the other gang BEFORE the war starts up, you said.
But that was my POINT as you didn't seem to understand and instead moderated me.

As I already reacted on your post, it should have been clear that the moderated status had nothing to do with your opinion on gang wars. The above paragraph will have made it completely clear.
I would suggest to you to cease the hidden hints towards invalid moderating and instead apologize for you misunderstanding the reasons.

They have to talk before the gangwar, but you say only in roleplay. They can't meet up and then say for example: "Okay, due to that you took our car and later dumped it last week. We'd like to settle up a war with you. We'll get your headquarter if we win, you'll get our if you win". Gang wars are suppose to be illegal and towards someone. How can you meet up with the person and request a gang war? Then it seems like you don't see the whole point of roleplaying. THAT'S why you gotta settle it up in OOC. As you're already enemies.

Gang war are not supposed to be without warning. That is a gang ambush, not a gang war.
To settle a HQ against damage to a car is a ridiculous example. Get a grip on RP.
And there still is no OOC.

Please, don't deny this post. Just shows how unsure you are what the answers will be on what I just said.
Hope you understand what I just wrote, try to give it some time if you don't.
OK, I got warned due to the smiley spam. Smileys may get people confused, OK!
But moderated for INvalid reason? Please, check your reason and try to see if you realize something with it.

My reason for moderating was valid. You are the one who does not understand.

[Gandalf]

Beeing enemies is a proper reason.

As a gang you are enemies with the cops, does that mean that cops are allowed to fire and kill gang at any time ?

[Harald]

You could just have said it was due to the smileys you moderated and warned me. And no, it's not written up in the rules that you're not allowed to "ABUSE" smileys.
All I said after the warn about the smiley thing was that I thought it was a very wimpy reason in my opinion, as nothing dangerous could happen to the forum, THEN you moderated me for being defensive.

Anyway, explain how the hell people can request assets from another gang if they win a war if it isn't discussed before with the opposite gang!? You said that it's not supposed to be discussed - the opposite, a surprise.
Then this thing about the other gang should get the other gangs assets cannot exist, as if, it have to be discussed before. Or...this could be something I just got up in my mind. If this is more how you meant, then respond if it is.

Gang 1 managed to take gang 2's leader as hostage.
"Give us your Premier or you and you're buddies are as good as dead".
Either, the leader accepts or refuses.

But here comes this thing though, I doubt they really will give the Premier away - and except die, or powergame to survive.

OK, so, I accept that I HAVE been warned due to the smiley shit. But I still think the moderate level is totally fucked up - even though you tried to give good reasons. But all I could find was that I defended myself by talking.
"Oh, here comes Gandalf  and puts me under "Moderated", because I can't - so it gives advantage to him, hihihi." No, that was how I felt, but, unsure if I feel like that anymore.
Could you just answer how long this "Moderated" thingy will remain? Depends on the victim's behaviour?

[Devin]

As a gang you are enemies with the cops, does that mean that cops are allowed to fire and kill gang at any time ?

True Gandalf, and no Double-Post please    you should know the rules old timer...

[Gandalf]

You could just have said it was due to the smileys you moderated and warned me. And no, it's not written up in the rules that you're not allowed to "ABUSE" smileys.

3. Act maturely.

Just like on server we do not intend to write a lawbook on every written and unwritten rule.

All I said after the warn about the smiley thing was that I thought it was a very wimpy reason in my opinion, as nothing dangerous could happen to the forum, THEN you moderated me for being defensive.

I moderated you for not accepting the warning. But I could go further for you trying to take this thread off-topic.

Anyway, explain how the hell people can request assets from another gang if they win a war if it isn't discussed before with the opposite gang!? You said that it's not supposed to be discussed - the opposite, a surprise.
Then this thing about the other gang should get the other gangs assets cannot exist, as if, it have to be discussed before. Or...this could be something I just got up in my mind. If this is more how you meant, then respond if it is.

If you read the previous posts, you will see that I never mentiond it is not supposed to be discussed, on the contrary the gang war should be the highlight of a long RP story, and caonclude that story.
What I did say is that we do not have an OOC/IC difference, besides that a good RPer will be able to lead up to a gang war IC.

Gang 1 managed to take gang 2's leader as hostage.
"Give us your Premier or you and you're buddies are as good as dead".
Either, the leader accepts or refuses.

But here comes this thing though, I doubt they really will give the Premier away - and except die, or powergame to survive.

While the gang leaders are hostage, the gang has two options: call the cops or solve it themselves.
A car is just a car, lives are lives.

OK, so, I accept that I HAVE been warned due to the smiley shit. But I still think the moderate level is totally f**ked up - even though you tried to give good reasons. But all I could find was that I defended myself by talking.
"Oh, here comes Gandalf  and puts me under "Moderated", because I can't - so it gives advantage to him, hihihi." No, that was how I felt, but, unsure if I feel like that anymore.
Could you just answer how long this "Moderated" thingy will remain? Depends on the victim's behaviour?

The moderated level is due to not accepting the punishment.  It will last for 5 days.

[Devin]

Yo marcus, i got respect for you and all but seriously, just stop... whats the use of challenging admins and especially admins that have loads of power like Gandalf,
it wont solve anything... its better to just leave it...
and i know gandalf will take more serious actions if you persist on since this will be annoying him.. im sure...

[Bianconeri]

lets just keep it on topic

being enemies a good reason?
not really, there must be a more exact reason to do such a big attack
attack on a member, attack on a house/bizz/HQ or so
not small things as a little flame or so

 :ps: Jack, combat shotgun doesnt rock but suck, skill-less weapon, deagle rocks

[ChaNce]

As a gang you are enemies with the cops, does that mean that cops are allowed to fire and kill gang at any time ?

Totally senseless in my eyes ; You're totally mixing up the relations between a Police Enforcement Team and a Gang.
A gang and a gang have a total different sight of beeing enemies: They do random drive-by's/shootouts/brawls for a reason; They want to destroy/rob/kill/spray the hood/take over territory of the enemygang.

The relation between the Police is totally different. The gang doesn't see the Police as an offcial Enemie. They don't attack cops for no reason/don't rob em etc.
It's just totally different.

[Julian]

In gang wars, there should be some weapon restrictions.
For example:
Allowed: Deagle, silenced, shotgun, combat, smg, ak-47.
Not Allowed: Tec9, Mac-10, M4, sniper, Sawn-offs, 9mm.

Something like that, just a suggestion.

[Harald]

I just keep getting owned by him  . Perhaps because he's 20+, more English knowledge  :rules: and stuffs.
Anyway, you should be allowed to either accept or not accept the punishment. You can still mute someone. I didn't really accept it - because the reason was like  :poke: for me. Act maturely. By using smileys = not acting maturely. OK, will keep that in mind. Yes, admins can always ban, kick, warn, mute, unmute, unban, moderate, delete warns and stuffs, all that shit normal players can't, but many of them still doing the same shitty thing. That's why I wont go further in discussion now and keep getting owned.

Yo marcus, i got respect for you and all but seriously, just stop... whats the use of challenging admins and especially admins that have loads of power like Gandalf,
it wont solve anything... its better to just leave it...
and i know gandalf will take more serious actions if you persist on since this will be annoying him.. im sure...

You said something. "lots of power". Anyway, yes. Will not fight - I feel too, but no.

OK, on-topic.
How are people suppose to get the other gang's property(-ies) if can't be discussed then, Gandalf?

And sorry, GAH, I hate to apoligize, but...I have to.

[Gandalf]

Totally senseless in my eyes ; You're totally mixing up the relations between a Police Enforcement Team and a Gang.
A gang and a gang have a total different sight of beeing enemies: They do random drive-by's/shootouts/brawls for a reason; They want to destroy/rob/kill/spray the hood/take over territory of the enemygang.

The relation between the Police is totally different. The gang doesn't see the Police as an offcial Enemie. They don't attack cops for no reason/don't rob em etc.
It's just totally different.

Incorrect.

Just as there are rules of engagement between criminals and cops, there should be rules of engagement between groups that wish to attack each other. Without those rules there will be what we do not want: constant gang wars.

If you check the psychology of the GTA series carefullt, you see that cops are often displayed as nothing other than a mafia, though with special license. They want control over the cities, just like a mafia wants it.

It is not allowed to attack cops for no reason, and cops can not attack or suspect mafia members for no reason.
similar, members of two mafia groups have no right to attack each other without reason, let alone cause a mass shootout.