Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?

[Aragorn]

Last time we hear a lot from different players that Argonath RPG is not the same old Argonath as it was... And that is true... Argonath server was a way much better I AGREE... But almost all those who are screaming about old times cool Argonath have no idea what it was or f**king forgot totally which is usual for moaners...

So let me tell you what was old times Argonath RPG...

1. RULES
Old Argonath RPG had almost only ONE rule for all servers - respect our players... No any rules about freecops shit or about OOC or IC shit etc... That was the golden age of Argonath when players were not bringing a shit from other RPG servers to ruin our world...

Nowadays Argonath's community demands new rules more and more, that causes arguing between players who broke the rules and who did not... All newcomers think that more rules will increase roleplay and do not see that more rules decreases the friendly atmosphere on server, turning it into witch hunting and moaning community... I am not even talking about decreasing of roleplay as well... Because it is already impossible to roleplay according to the last Law set by Someones... Everyone tries to demand his view of roleplay... And nobody remembers, that the Argonath they f**king loved was the Argonath with the minimum amount of rules...

Are you a laboratory rats to run the direction the doctors will set? Or you are a f**king humans, who have a f**king head on their shoulders and f**king brains to go the direction which is good for them?

2. COMMUNITY

The community which is now is not the same as the community 2-3 years ago... You, who play here 1 year or maybe 1.5 year have no idea how deeply and totally screwed the Argonath Community for these time... Those who liked Argonath for its members cannot nowadays make a decent level of multiplayer acting with community... You have no the ideas of friendship, support, patience... Your ideals are moaning and crying...

What was the community of Argonath a way before? Strong... We did not afraid to face a deathmatchers... We had a great fighting skills ourselves... We were not moaning about rammers... As cops we suspect them and chase, as civilians we defended ourselves and friends... We were not demanding roleplay from anyone and in the way we want... We were not ignoring players like "I will not roleplay with this or that just cos I hate him"... We were not asking admins about every shitty fart in local chat...

Yes, you ARE different... You cannot handle the Argonath style just because it requests much higher level of your independence and your own skills in communication... You are trying to solve your problems by administration, moaning about every shit, which can be solved even by simple smile "Man you are nuts "...

If you cannot handle the Argonath style, why you cover behind it when moan? You who moan, cannot yourself to bring the "old Argonath times"...

3. ADMINISTRATION

Administration was a friend to players in old times... As there were less moaners then nowadays admins had a lot of time to play together with players, and there was no such a big distance as it is now... While moaning and reporting every fart, players fill the admins time to the top... Admins cannot handle the amount of cries they get... That is just IMPOSSIBLE... For checking the daily situations on server and ALL MOANING and COMPLAINTS admin should waste ALL HIS DAY without pauses with checking out from logs who the f**k is right and who is not...

People, who are the same age as you, who came to Argonath RPG and SA:MP to have fun and enjoy with play as you - nowadays sit with the heavy hearts trying to help as much as they can... And getting in their faces flame and shit... They are the same guys and girls... They are not different from you... But the amount of negative they get even more bigger then adults with their real life problems... This teenagers should be respected at least for their patience and not giving up... Because while you are having a f**king arguing with other player - admins get 20 such arguing which they have to stop or solve...

You should f**king respect these guys for that...

You say that Argonath RPG is not as good as it was when YOU JOINED? Then think who ruined it while played here...

[rJCaiG]

Why is our number one rule respect and not to hack? I wonder if anyone has ever really thought of this - because if you hack, then respect admins wishes to stop the hacks, you will be praised upon a lot more than a disrespecter who never hacked..
It does NOT take a lot to respect us!! You think admin job is all easy peasy - it is NOT.
The main thing that makes me really feel like you think it's a piss easy job and anyone could do it is the moaners who constantly go - "omg omg i report uu!!! lol i sent in teh email LOL UR RITES WILL BE TAKEN AWAY!!!"..You gotta think - we are on the admin team for a REASON. If we abused, we would NOT be on the admin team. Espescially some of us veteran admins (Me, wayne, jaaskaa, pancher).
The rules were a lot simpler back in 2007. It was a lot more fun, to run around doing crazy thing, carjacking people for a laugh then getting your head blown off with a shotgun by them. It was fun to have that kind of oppertunities - but the leading administration changes, and with that the rules change too. I cannot change the rules, I cannot get rules taken away, but just think how much more fun it'd be to not instantly /report, but to have a bit of fun with the person who is carjacking or Dming you..I remember a story from Aragorn or Gandalf, from in 2006 or something, in MTA:VC. A guy came in hacking, and RON, instead of banning him, started to try to kill him and muck around with him. You NEED to realise /report is not for tiny little things.
The community is constantly changing - only back in 2007 it was more closed, not many newer people were joining. It was a more closed, meaningful, respectful community.
You newer people need to realise that this is not a regular old server - us older players just want respect and the good old RP to come back, the moaning to stop, and the disrespect to stop. As I recall, the old community email RARELY got emails sent to it..cuz everyone was cool with admins punishment being final...
keyword of my speech? respect..same as aragorns..

I, for one, Aragorn, thank you for your hard work and dedication to the server and to keeping it up and running. You are even a friend of mine, not a boss, as I respect you and I get the same respect back. I can talk to you and you can do the same back. A big thanks to you.

EDIT:
I just remember a situation today involving an admin even..he got suspected by the CHIEF OF SAPD, for corruption (the admin was an officer), and he stirred up an aboslute shitstorm over it. "abuse this abuse that blablabal"...i'm sitting there saying..dude, chill out, just RP god damnit, it's not all about ZOMG ABUSE....you guys gotta think - this is RPG, not "10 points per report you do"...

[Melvin]

Very nice Aragorn. Completely true. Hope people will start thinking after this  :hurray:

[Wash]

I agree with you. I myself know I am to blame towards all this negativity, aswell as many other members of the community.

I hope that some of us can change our ways, and stop being so god damned negative about everything that happens.

[Philip_McRay]

I say as Mafs, if people stop being f**king selfish negative persons Argonath will defently change.

[David_Omid]

Aragorn, you are completely right

The community has gotten to the point where nobody is satisfied. Whether it's cops, criminals or just civilians, people are moaning constantly about little things like "I lost 10k of weapons in a crash, refund me" and whenever there is a FAIR fight with cops VS criminals, there is ALWAYS moaning. They say things like "where was the roleplay, SWAT? You came in and shot us without asking surrender" when they don't get the point at all. We WERE roleplaying. SWAT are supposed to go in and take down threats because SAPD and FBI failed to reach a diplomatic conclusion with them. These people don't care about the reality of what we are doing, instead they are trying to make themselves feel better by blaming everyone else for making them lose money, as if it means anything here

I went on another server recently which claimed to be "RPG mode" to see how they did things. I enter and realise something...it's not like Argonath at all. Instead of being a civilian by default, you pick your job at the start. It was basically team-based and a lot of the "roleplay" was just team deathmatch with the /me command. Did they complain whenever they died or lost in other fights? No, they were all having fun, even laughing about how they scored an epic fail against the SWAT team

The problem I can see is that Argonath regulars love money and ownership in general far too much. This other server didn't have anything like cars, houses and businesses which you could own, yet I saw nobody complaining. They didn't have specific ways of making money either. In fact, money was practically spawned whenever you needed it. People didn't care about money at all...

In Argonath, people only care about money (vast majority, it used to be a small handful...of course there are still people who love roleplay the most) because it's hard to get it and having it enables you to do everything...

With money, you can get weapons, cars, houses and businesses. Therefore if someone loses money, they cry about it and blame everyone even though it just doesn't matter

When RS4 was released, people went onto the server and were like "oh my God, we can now sell weapons properly" and "oh my God new drugs system!" but they didn't thank Gimli and CBFASI for their work. It took a DECENT person with a forum topic before everyone acknowledged their hard work. All they cared about were the new ways to make money and more cars etc...

This brings me on to my next observation - scripts

People suggest ideas all the time like "we want cops/criminals/civilians to have this" and some of these new features were added. You would think that people would be happy...but no. They start saying "we want RS2 back, RS4 is terrible" which is literally spitting in the face of the developers and generally treating them like rubbish. It's like saying to someone "you spent a year of your own free time developing RS4, but we don't want it". Why do they say this? Because the roleplaying ability and attitude of the community changed. Was it because of the scripts? I doubt it. Personally, I think it was because of the regulars teaching the new players that money was everything, therefore making them see that roleplaying for money was pointless. Even if this was the true cause, people wouldn't see that. They will always blame the scripts, administration, server owners etc for everything. Changing the scripts won't solve anything. People will still moan and complain more than ever...

About administration - we are treated like slaves

Well not all of us, some of us are treated like servants, but it's almost the same principle. The players EXPECT us to help them whenever they want help, even if we simply can't help them or are busy with someone else. They then say "admins here are terrible, if I were an admin I would answer all reports and help everyone" when they have no idea what it's like being an admin. You tell them that and they say "then quit the admin job" as if it's as simple as that. If something is hard, do you quit it? I can just imagine all admins leaving because it's hard...then the problems which would come up. Someone posted a topic on SA:MP Ideas called "no admins" and suggested that we don't have admins for a little while. The idea isn't going to happen, but he gave an important message. He made it clear that he knew that admins were mistreated and wanted to see what people do if we left...

I don't know why people are doing what they do (complaining, wanting everything) but I think we all need to come to a conclusion and solve it

It would be great if everyone can post here and say WHY they don't like the current situation and say WHAT they actually want, it would answer some questions

[EliteTerm]

Hopefully this will show others what is happening now..


I've always dreamed of seeing the Old Argonath, even when I joined nearly 2 years ago..

[Unmountable]

I hope this will help , Thank Aragorn

[Cofiliano]

I say as Mafs, if people stop being f**king selfish negative persons Argonath will defently change.

[MyleS]

Definitly true...

[Raykaza]

Agreed.But This is Will be HARD than  we Think and It Needs a Long time.

[Nexxt]

Aragorn is so fucking right here.
And I KNOW, when we ALL want to change this, we CAN do it!

Problem is, that some people dont even want to try... but why not?
Just try it ONE time...

[Lucky]

Aragorn is right, and no we can not change it.
We'll try for a week, then we're gonna fail.

[Myggen]

Finally admins are getting into the topic !

Admins cant to all you guys in Argonath cry about.
Stop crying about a guy who hitted your door, or a guy who hit you once with a bat.

We are at Argonath for the same reason as you, sure we got our extra job as admin. But,
we got no time to play anymore !

Show some respect, and you will get your old Argonath back !
THANKS

[Melvin]

We all need to start somewhere, And i think that getting taxi´s and busses more active will Increase RP Massivly.