Territories

[CM Daniel]

The point of my constant nagging is that, its Government property we're talking about. No one can claim whats theirs and whats not, without the actual Green Flag signal from the admins., unless they paid for that particular area.

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

I have nothing against the corleanes. I took this up, just to share the oncoming circumstances which may arise in a more aggressive manner. If it was a DM gang instead of the Corleanes, then i wouldnt have been coming out of there alive.

Thats my 2 cents in this whole Territories idea. And i hope the admins jump in and give their version.

Hmmm, I can't remember that we send you away. But if we did, we probably were in the middle of a meeting...

And who is BS, I thought Mullholland was the area were the Corleones would spread in?

[Toninator]

I think the areas shouldnt take all the town (SF) there should be many streets and places which are not owned by any gang/family. the other thing is, that many family are not "super aggressive". there are ally between gang and families. there could be rules for territorys...

[KriminalAer]

The point of my constant nagging is that, its Government property we're talking about. No one can claim whats theirs and whats not, without the actual Green Flag signal from the admins., unless they paid for that particular area.

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

Yeah, if we're RPing these gangs, then you could say that in real life gangs like the Crips and the Bloods don't actually own any turf in the legal sense either. But it's still their turf.

Though i don't agree with the the Corleones telling you to get off their private property, im sure they had a reason for it though. I believe if this is going to work at all we'll all have to be civil and to be honest, no one should be telling anyone where to go, unless there's good reasons.

If it was a DM gang instead of the Corleanes, then i wouldnt have been coming out of there alive.

Don't name names but.. what DM gangs? If there are any of such gangs around they should be chucked off this server anyway!

[Yeah_Ok]

Though i don't agree with the the Corleones telling you to get off their private property,

AInt gonna make a big issue out of this, but this did happen. I was there not to eavesdrop or anything, i had my reasons to be there.

Don't name names but.. what DM gangs?

I said IF it was some DM gang instead of the corleones. I just expressed it as an example.


But anyhow, thats not where i wanted everyone to throw their spotlights on. My biggest concern is about the division of territories.

[Tice]

I dont know about u guys, but i dont see any positive outcome of this. This is surely gonna lead to war, flamming DM and what not. Take for instance, i was crusing around South of San Fierro area few days ago, and i managed to land up in an area where the CMs (now Corleane) were hanging around. I stepped out of the car, to check out the area. Then the leader of Corleane gang comes up to me and says that "sir, this is a private property !!"" , which actually wasnt , cos they didnt own any of the land there except a Remington parked in the lot. I had to leave the area, which technically wasnt owned by them.

That was me. We were having a meeting there and noticed you were in earshot, so instead of just telling you to get out, I made an RP reason of it. People have complete rights to travel through our area, and we will not make anyone leave. This was simply an exeption since you were basically right next to us outside our HQ and you might have picked up infomation. It was simply a precautionary measure.

[KriminalAer]

I said IF it was some DM gang instead of the corleones. I just expressed it as an example.

Yah ok, here's hoping DM gangs never arrive and we won't have that problem

Division of territories does tend to be a problem though, that's why i think it should be based on owning properties rather than just declaring you own stuff. At least owning properties is a concrete thing that can't be disputed.... (sort of )

[Pandalink]

Again, if anyone has any problems concerning alotted territories or "DM"/rulebreaking gangs, PM me and I will sort it out. If said gangs are checked and found to be DMing or otherwise rulebreaking, they will have their territory re-classified.

And as for Richman/Mulholland, BS sent me a PM with that territory marked. Based on Tice's map, that wasn't Corleone territory at that point. Maybe, however, you could split Richman and Mulholland? 

[Rebel]

This entire concept needs to be scrapped, and never thought of again.

First, this will initiate gang wars. Personally, last night, the leader of the gang I am in was simply wandering around in SF, and apparently crossed into a gang which shall not be named's territory. They told him to get out of their area, inevitably threatening him more than requesting that he do. Territory causes these actions.

Second, this is unfair to gangs that will inevitably be new. Say Gang A had a fight, and some of the members broke off and made Gang B. Gang B therefore wants an HQ and the like, however as they check the territory map that admins unlawfully placed in order and claimed to be true and final, Gang B has no chances of getting an HQ, or even a territory, as most all places will be claimed, and he will be shot just trying to drive around and look for a good place.

Finally, if persay this is, while painfully unlawful, accepted by admins and leaders alike, there should be a rule placed within that to own said "territory" you have to own a business in said territory or a home used for HQ. Then, you may only claim so many in-game-feet around this building as official territory. This resolves the issue I announced in the second of these statements as then people could only claim very small areas for their gang around businesses and houses that they OFFICIALLY own, and newer gangs stand a chance of being able to work within the rule book. Then, there is no conflict as to how to split up areas, and it makes it fair so that gangs like ML, who don't wear tags and are actually members from several gangs, can only claim small areas around places that their members OWN as in having paid for it full price and having THEIR NAME ON IT!

[Toninator]

I think everyone here want a real nice RPG right? So i dont think there will be problem with the gangs anf families, because they also want to have RPG.

[Yeah_Ok]

That was me. We were having a meeting there and noticed you were in earshot, so instead of just telling you to get out, I made an RP reason of it............ you were basically right next to us outside our HQ and you might have picked up infomation. It was simply a precautionary measure.

Although i didnt want to focus on this anymore, i got to clear things up a bit. Firstly, i didnt know a meeting was going on, cos when i arrived, u guys were doing go-karting. And for the record, i didnt pick on any of ur informations, so no need to worry. Besides, i was there myself on business purpose, which i guess overlapped with ur meeting schedule. But the most important thing is , i didnt know the corleones had relocated.

So, thats basically, the complete scenario of what went on. As said, its useless to focus ur eyes on this, cos its not what i wanted to extract from this, when I mentioned it.

[Pandalink]

I think for now I will wait until 0.2, and rethink the possible concept then. 

As for now, continue the PMs =)

[KriminalAer]

Rebel, ultimately gangs will always say certain parts are their turf, whether admins say turf is allowed or not and at least adding in some sorta system such as this will help clarify any arguments that occur. I mean if gangs have territory disputes is it better that they check the map and PM panda if they don't agree or go in guns ablaze and take it?

But i do agree that no where near as much turf should be claimed as is currently, it should be based on buildings actually owned and maybe the number of members (or maybe power? thinking of Dragons here) they have. The biggest gangs have the most territory right? The SA map is fairly huge and yeah new gangs coming in will have less of a choice but that's no ones fault. I joined the server too late to get a 0.1 house as they'd all been sold but that's life If you start up a gang late i guess you have to take what you get. As for splits, if following an 'amount of members' system then a halfway split will halve the gangs territory between the gangs, just as i believe happens in gang splits in real life.

As for the incident you mentioned, that is something we need to work on, admin regulation would help sort this out. Plus, the only way they can make you leave is by attacking you and if we agree "this is our turf" is not a good reason for attack then they'll be warned and ultimately banned for attacking yeah?

I think if we can get everyone to agree on this and it's regulated by admins, disputes are settled properly and territory is fairly distributed then i reckon this will be ace.

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he will be shot just trying to drive around and look for a good place.

As i said to Yeah_Ok, who are all these people that shoot people entering their territory? I never see them  :redface: and i hope that if i ever do they'll get banned sharpish, right?

[T r o j a n TM]

Great work Panda! There may be a tiny bit more of ML in LV but apart from that I think that's the ML territory covered and I think a few other gangs may need a little more territory if they ask for it.

[Rebel]

Seriously... if this thing is passed, it needs to be majorly revised. There is no possible way it is fair that a gang that does not wear tags and has pieces from several other gangs has the majority of the territory taken.

Beyond that, you should seriously consider my idea that you can only own territory so many feet in-game around a building that YOU or one of YOUR members owns.

[Yeah_Ok]

Seriously... if this thing is passed, it needs to be majorly revised. There is no possible way it is fair that a gang that does not wear tags and has pieces from several other gangs has the majority of the territory taken.

I totally second that !!!!  Territories r somethng really important in terms with RP, its not the same as owning a house. The house u own, u paid for it, but the territories, no one paid for it. Therefore, no one owns it and no one can declare it as their own without the actual approval from the admins or Govt, whoever owns this whole map.

Fight for ur rights ..eh