SA:MP admin restructure

[SugarD]

Former admins can still help without their admin rights, anyone can help, for example, I'm not a SA:MP Admin, however I still use my skills to help and guide players on SA:MP, it is a admins instinct to help players, you don't lost it just like that.

The problem behind it though is that many admins who worked very hard and deserved promotions if anything at all, were "fired". I can personally account for more than 10 admins that almost never roleplayed because they focused so hard on their job, and now they feel betrayed. The idea is good for setting a new standard, but I personally believe the way it was carried out wasn't the greatest. Personally, I'm not too happy with what happened to me either, but regardless of how I feel about that, I trust in the administration there. As for the others that spent their time, every moment they were online, administrating..., they were not given a fair chance.

Honestly, I think all of the non-abusing, non-inactive, etc. admins should have been moved back down to level 1 that were voted to not stay, and then the community should have voted on who they believed was the most helpful to them. After all, they are the ones that are moderated. I've actually even seen ALOT of non-admin users upset over this change. Some were even very pissed that some admins they believed were extremely helpful and dedicated, were falsely lost. I want to congratulate those who were promoted, but at the same time, it seems unfair to all of those who were jumped up multiple levels without having the chance to learn the new commands. These new admins now have to live up to the past admins and beyond, and then some. Aside from being forced to learn all these new commands quickly now, and what they do, and how they should be using them correctly, they are also now being forced to deal with less admin teamwork being available, so they cannot RP, nor can they work together to take on multiple reports at once. Even worse, during the night time, such as when I was commonly one of the two or three admins on during those hours, there is now practically no one to protect the server or help out. With the lack of trained admins being available, it's going to put a very large strain on the admins of the new system. Even worse, those who had recently become level 1 admins never had a chance to prove themselves or learn the correct process of administrating before they were "fired".

I'm glad that the high administration has decided to attempt to conquer many of the problems within the former system, but at the same time, it seems like things were taken to an extreme in a way that may have not been the best. Now I'm not trying to flame the system, idea, or anyone at all. This is also not about me being a "sore loser" for losing my rights as well. This is about those who lost their rights that I and many others believe shouldn't of, and it's actually quite sad and angering to see this happen when they worked so hard for their positions to have this happen to them later on.

[Klaus]

The problem behind it though is that many admins who worked very hard and deserved promotions if anything at all, were "fired".

Each one had their reasons. No admins were fired for nothing.

[SugarD]

Klaus, they were voted. Not all were fired or demoted for specific reasons.

[TeaM-QSens]

Everyone should help newcomers. ^^

I know i meant that fired admins still doing great work

[Kojak]

Thanks for your post SugarD, one of the most frustrating things about this exercise has been seeing admins who don't care that they have been removed from the team so I appreciate when admins make well thought out, considered posts like yours.

There is not really a lot to say in response, but I do want to assure you that no arbitrary decisions were made. A lot of research was done, including many hours of pouring through logs, to make our decisions. I understand that there is no way that everyone will agree with every decision we have made, but I hope that people know we have completed this exercise to the best of our ability and with the best intentions at heart.

What was done needed to be done, and now I look forward to the future of Argonath maybe even with some of those who have left us returning once more to a new improved admin team.

Kojak

[SugarD]

I agree with what you have to say, and I know you guys put your heart and soul into deciding. Basically, I'm not saying that your decisions were wrong, but more-so I am actually saying that the system and the way things had to be decided should've been different.

[Traser]

I want to thank all SA:MP admins for the wonderfull time.
But my time has come, i am not able to keep my rights as an administrator.

[Jubin]

Also damn, you restructuring the SAMP admins, now I have to restructure my MSN list as well : ))

[Dutchy]

shouldnt we let the players decide who are on argo for atleased a week because most of em are more active than just the main admins 

[Violet]

shouldnt we let the players decide who are on argo for atleased a week because most of em are more active than just the main admins 

Decision was made only by Aragorn, Gandalf, Boromir and Kojak - not main admins.

There are lessons to be learnt for me from this, and it's time I continue practicing what I try to preach.

[Devin]

Personally i think this method could be useful but for some or other reason either in the way you have performed it, it seems to have caused more issues.

Ive seen many admins whom Ive known for over a year and have been extremely helpful every time i ask for help or someone else asks and they have now been "fired" for some reason which Im not to sure of.

This is a good method to clean up the admin team but from what Ive witnessed it seems to have issues, causing anyone to be "punished" for no actual reason, some admins who actually dont really do what is expected of them, but some of those are still Admins IG right now, while many who do everything in their power to help others have been stripped to nothing and feel deeply betrayed for this after they dedicated all their time online to try further the server and make it a much better place for everyone.

[Alsatian]

Although it's great that you're trying to re-structure the admin team and all, I think that some rather bad decisions have been made. I've scanned these nine pages, and some of the admins that I've learned of to be fired are rather questionable.

I know you have your specific reasons for demoting them, but I still feel that some great admins here, who've put in a hell of a lot of work and devotion, have been shot down. I know it's not for me to decide, and it doesn't really matter what I say, though.

Anyway, on a better note, I'd like to wish a good future for all fired admins. To all promoted admins... congratulations!  I hope this re-structure pays off!

[Joey_DeRossi]

A restructured team.
Since I've been in Argonath I've seen a large number of vast changes. Good ones and bad ones.
This one clearly has a mid-term. Not bad nor good.
I will not name names, but those know how much I respect their work and others how much I don't. I leave my regards here.
Here's one thing that I've learned on my experience as an administrator: most of them don't know what a administrator job consists on. It's clearly a job, you'll have to make sacrifices - you'll HAVE to give up on the role-play(it's almost impossible to do both, I've tried), you'll HAVE to be professional (dear lord the amount of childish conversations I've seen in the administration chat) and you CAN'T let things become personal, like I've witnessed and experienced.
People see a administrator as a respected person - they are - but people forget that they're respected for their job, not just because they give funny reasons when they kick people, when they warn them, etc. So, if you apply to the administrator position, in the future, keep that in mind: You'll have to make sacrifices and ONLY if you really enjoy working instead of playing you should keep yourself as a administrator.

I'll talk about my own experience. When Gimli invited me to become an administrator I was more than happy to be part of the team.
But after a self auto-inspection I made myself some questions. The answer was :
- I wasn't happy, the teamwork was 0 and I didn't had the time to help out my folks in RI. Solution? I have resigned. In less than a week.

A last note - If you're a administrator, always, do a self evaluation on your work. "Have I been impartial?", "Have I been professional", "Am I here just because I'm respected?" and finally : "Am I happy?".

Good luck to every future administrators and I sincerely hope to see some, who just got demoted, to apply again.

[MyleS]

A restructured team.
Since I've been in Argonath I've seen a large number of vast changes. Good ones and bad ones.
This one clearly has a mid-term. Not bad nor good.
I will not name names, but those know how much I respect their work and others how much I don't. I leave my regards here.
Here's one thing that I've learned on my experience as an administrator: most of them don't know what a administrator job consists on. It's clearly a job, you'll have to make sacrifices - you'll HAVE to give up on the role-play(it's almost impossible to do both, I've tried), you'll HAVE to be professional (dear lord the amount of childish conversations I've seen in the administration chat) and you CAN'T let things become personal, like I've witnessed and experienced.
People see a administrator as a respected person - they are - but people forget that they're respected for their job, not just because they give funny reasons when they kick people, when they warn them, etc. So, if you apply to the administrator position, in the future, keep that in mind: You'll have to make sacrifices and ONLY if you really enjoy working instead of playing you should keep yourself as a administrator.

I'll talk about my own experience. When Gimli invited me to become an administrator I was more than happy to be part of the team.
But after a self auto-inspection I made myself some questions. The answer was :
- I wasn't happy, the teamwork was 0 and I didn't had the time to help out my folks in RI. Solution? I have resigned. In less than a week.

A last note - If you're a administrator, always, do a self evaluation on your work. "Have I been impartial?", "Have I been professional", "Am I here just because I'm respected?" and finally : "Am I happy?".

Good luck to every future administrators and I sincerely hope to see some, who just got demoted, to apply again.

I could've not said it better.

[MisterSjeiks]

Even though this got my fired from my job, I'd like to say this is a good change for the admin team.
I want to wish every other admin good luck and every admin also voted out, just stay ingame and let's play again!

Thanks guys...for everything.

i cried