SA:MP admin restructure

[(tr)Ollie]

They aren't any higher level than players. Some people just want to be an admin so they think they can be higher.

[Boromir]

First of all, I'd like to appreciate your supports and comments, and even some of your thoughts that contradict those of ours. As kojak stated, all the decisions we made are not arbitrary; all of them were made after careful considerations and inspections.
This was the first step we took to make the admin team stronger yet flawless. This project will not only promote the refinement of the admin team, but also increase the effectiveness of it. Additionally, to all admins who have been voted out, I want to say that you guys should know that you can still make contributions to the server without the admin status... If you say you are not going to help the server because you have lost your admin rights, then I must affirm that you have been in the admin team for improper reasons.. I still look forward to working with you for this community.

Boromir

[Devin]

I don't think any admin is higher level than me

yes, i completely agree with you,

No admin is of a higher level of arrogance than you.   

[Nexxt]

I just went ingame, and saw the levels were gone.
One reaction, just totally awesome.
It can stop the things like: "I am higher level then you" , and atleast I hope it will for those people.


And as reaction on the post from Boromir:

Ofcourse I will still help and put some contribution towards the server.
It have been my job, and now it will be something I feel like I want to do.

[SavioR88]

I got an idea that admin who was and got demoted cant re apply because they got a chance
now i think need to give on another players who can do that job ...  :poke:

[EliteTerm]

Many of you guys has helped me shape my career as an administrator for the last two months, and I am thankful for that. No matter what happened right now, I will always have respect for you guys.

[Zaila]

I got an idea that admin who was and got demoted cant re apply because they got a chance
now i think need to give on another players who can do that job ...  :poke:

Of course they should be able to apply

[Nexxt]

I got an idea that admin who was and got demoted cant re apply because they got a chance
now i think need to give on another players who can do that job ...  :poke:

Why is that?
It's not about having a chance, it's about your capabilities as administrator.
If you can handle it or not, wether you have been an admin before or not.

Kicked admins could improve their weak points and have a chance again.
Remember, being an admin is a job and not a rank what makes you cool, so imo "chances" don't matter.

[Jcstodds]

  I imagine there will be a lot of pressure ingame on those who remain.

  Good luck to those who are thinking of reapplying, and those who are thinking of applying for the first time; when the applications are open.

[~Legend~]

I hope the SA:MP A-Team will be able to build up again quickly, with all its strength and prowess.
Best of luck!

[SavioR88]

Why is that?
It's not about having a chance, it's about your capabilities as administrator.

So if someone have capabilities as administrator wont be demoted he will stay more time...

[SugarD]

The main reason some find it so important to be an admin is to make themselves feel as if they are of a higher level over others and they want a position of power so no one can tell them what to do.
 Thats the main reason for it all which i can see.

That is not true for everyone. No matter how much someone may brag about their status, it isn't always just that to them. The select few, like myself personally, joined to help the community, not to rank-hunt. I love helping this community in every way I can. It's truly a world of it's own, and I try every day to improve it. A perfect personal example is ARFD with me and Rory. I'm a full-time cop...all I have ever played in any of the servers, and I and Rory took this step to create a new, additional choice of a career to the RP world. As you can tell, it's not always about the rank hunters. I know that many of them could be, and that will always be obvious in every community, but some of the admins truly dedicated themselves in a way that shows that the decision to fire them may have not been the greatest right away. It's very painful to see that those who wanted to help the community, have now lost their will to, and those still left around, are being forced to mature and learn twice as fast as before to understand their new-found status as lvl 3 or higher equivalents. (To understand what I mean, notice how many lvl 1 equivalents became lvl 3 equivalents as a result of this. They were still learning and now they have to be the main admins in the servers.)

To be honest, I again totally agree with the proposal to fix the administration system, and the idea behind it is great indeed, but many parts that were left out created loopholes in the idea that set it up to struggle to survive until those that are left around can catch up, and those left behind to heal. What scares me even more is that, in complete irony, many users on the SA:MP server last night rioted IG, and rulebroke OOC over this whole ordeal. I can't count how many PM's and Vent/TS messages I heard about non-admin people complaining about how they believe some certain admins shouldn't of been fired. I know there was reasoning behind it, and honestly I do respect the work done to set up the new system, but I still personally think that firing ALL of them on the spot was a bit harsh. There were some new or newer admins, as well as old, dedicated ones, that lost their jobs over some of the smallest things. I know it's too late now, but if I saw this coming before, I would've recommended that the admins that weren't joking around, rulebreaking, abusing, inactive, etc. to be put as level 1 trials, and then have the non-admin users in the server vote on those they believe were largely helpful and should stay as level 1's so they have a chance to regain their lost rights and respect. Afterall, it is the non-admin users that get moderated in this community, not the admin ones, as stated by the administration rules, so why not?

Again, please don't take this as a flame or a "talking shit/post hunting" post. This is purely just one side of this whole event in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with me personally being fired either. I respect the choices made, whether I agree with them or not.

[Nexxt]

So if someone have capabilities as administrator wont be demoted he will stay more time...

All admins who didnt fully operate on the developers vision, have been fired also.
Therefor these people can use their time to change, and try to re-apply.

With fresh chances like everyone, only it's harder to get in.

[JDC]

Although some people may think that me not taking this too hard means that I do not care I got removed from the team, that is wrong.

As an Admin, I did not need Level 3 Status to help the rest of the team and the players, and as a Veteran, I do not need admin rights to help the Server as well.

I feel the same pain as the rest who got removed, and I am especially sad for my colleagues who gave their sincere efforts towards making the community a better place, such as Giac and Panda, and I also think that some of the removed should have stayed (not including myself. I acknowledge my faults and that even though my efforts were sincere, they were not my best). I also know that in the future, we will have a second chance, but in the meantime, we can use the time to go over our weaknesses and improve them.

[Pandalink]

All admins who didnt fully operate on the developers vision, have been fired also.

Essentially, anyone with an individual mind.

As much as I think a demotion of 4 levels (which is essentially what it was) for "spells of inactivity" might be a little off, I can't disagree with the reason itself.
However, many admins have done nothing and were, in my open opinion, kicked for more.. personal reasons, namely my first sentence.

People should kick up a fuss, plenty of the absolute best admins got kicked (Squeak anyone??) and plenty of bad admins managed to stay in, somehow.