SA:MP admin restructure

[Stanley_Taylor]

People should kick up a fuss

Because we cannot talk about it on the server we should be able to talk about it somewhere. This is an open community, right?
When we look at the list, we see names that should not have been removed in our opinions. But at the end of the day, this is not our server. We're just the ones that are using it, so we shouldn't be pointing fingers.
If we start discussing it and we name the (former) admins we thought were good and the ones were bad, it would end up in flaming, provoking and all that kind of shit. We don't want that. So I don't think it's a good idea to take this over the forums.
If the developers want to hear what we have to say, they will ask us one way or the other. Or they'll just check the logs 

[Aksel]

Mind if I ask why Vince is a moderator and that Rory guy is an administrator?
It's absolutely None-sense

[Andy]

I fully respect developers' opinion, but I must say this. Panda is right. Why were good admins who, actually did their job, right got kicked? And the bad ones who MIGHT be fully active  BUT didn't bother to even view reports, stay? Those admins only kick whoever flames them. They don't care about others. I used to ask other admin(s) to start viewing reports instead of just driving waiting for someone to flame them. Sorry, but I had to say it.

[Boozman]

Mind if I ask why Vince is a moderator and that Rory guy is an administrator?
It's absolutely None-sense

Well from what i know it was at the Developers and Leaders Discretion.
Some Promotions and Demotions Not everyone may agree with, but the Developers know what is best.
And i think this whole "No more level thing" will work out very good.
Ranks and Levels give the whole "i want more power" set of mind, Just pinning it as 'Moderators', 'Administrators', and 'Managers' will work out much better because they are not really ranks, just what your specific job is so there is not much worry about Power Hungary admins and such.

Cant wait to see how things work out in the Future

[Devin]

That is not true for everyone. No matter how much someone may brag about their status, it isn't always just that to them. The select few, like myself personally, joined to help the community, not to rank-hunt. I love helping this community in every way I can. It's truly a world of it's own, and I try every day to improve it. A perfect personal example is ARFD with me and Rory. I'm a full-time cop...all I have ever played in any of the servers, and I and Rory took this step to create a new, additional choice of a career to the RP world. As you can tell, it's not always about the rank hunters. I know that many of them could be, and that will always be obvious in every community, but some of the admins truly dedicated themselves in a way that shows that the decision to fire them may have not been the greatest right away. It's very painful to see that those who wanted to help the community, have now lost their will to, and those still left around, are being forced to mature and learn twice as fast as before to understand their new-found status as lvl 3 or higher equivalents. (To understand what I mean, notice how many lvl 1 equivalents became lvl 3 equivalents as a result of this. They were still learning and now they have to be the main admins in the servers.)

Sugar, i did not actually say that All want to be admins to have power over others, like i said "some find it important to be a admin"
Many want to be admins to help out and do their best but you get those who just want it as a status symbol.

[Caltson]

Sugar, i did not actually say that All want to be admins to have power over others, like i said "some find it important to be a admin"
Many want to be admins to help out and do their best but you get those who just want it as a status symbol.

Sorry, but i don't think any of the fired admins, aswel as the hired ones are out for power..

[EliteTerm]

I'm surprised. Many of you supported the developers for their planned restructure, and now you guys are starting to oppose it..

The fired admins will have the opportunity to reapply if they are willing to learn their past mistakes/ be active more often..

[JDC]

The fired admins will have the opportunity to reapply if they are willing to learn their past mistakes/ be active more often..

In the meantime, we have more than enough time to fix our weaknesses.

[Gerrie = Banned (Daco)]

Mind if I ask why Vince is a moderator and that Rory guy is an administrator?
It's absolutely None-sense

+1

Rory knows /kick and /banana and /warn.

That's not admin work.

[Caltson]

Don't state things about people you don't know.
If rory only was using that, he STILL was doing his job correct. However, there are more commands wich you guys can't see, Don't say he doesn't do anything besides that. It's not true at all.

[Devin]

+1

Rory knows /kick and /banana and /warn.

That's not admin work.

Just because you arent an admin doesnt mean you have the right to judge others like you are right now. Show some respect towards others before looking for respect yourself.
Also, do not say he does not know what admin work is when you have no idea of what goes on yourself.

[Aragorn]

I can personally account for more than 10 admins that almost never roleplayed because they focused so hard on their job, and now they feel betrayed.

Can you give me those 10 names who discuss their demotion with you in that way, so I will be sure they will not pass the new round if they will apply again...

[JDC]

Can you give me those 10 names who discuss their demotion with you in that way, so I will be sure they will not pass the new round if they will apply again...

Not me for sure, I balance my FBI Agent job (chasing dangerous suspects, calling for heavy air support on people who steal grannies' wallets, ordering the teabagging and brutal execution of corrupt officers, forcing criminals to listen to horrible tokio hotel songs for 5 hours in a row, et cetera) with my Admin work, since I loved both equally :P

Okay, humor aside, Admin Job should not be taken so seriously that you disregard everyone everything else. Admins also possess a role shared by everyone else in the community; that of a player. When you join the Server as an Admin, you do not join just to administrate but you also join to have fun and socialize with the rest of Argonath. If you commit yourself too hard to Admin work to the point where it becomes your way of life, then you are turning a job into something that controls your life. Even the Developers and et cetera take time to have fun when they can on Argonath (Do NOT discuss /remcash with Gimli :P).

[Aragorn]

A restructured team.
Since I've been in Argonath I've seen a large number of vast changes. Good ones and bad ones.
This one clearly has a mid-term. Not bad nor good...

Thanks for the post...
The Truth is usually between... As there are not totally bad or perfect people...

***

To the ex-admins who think they did best...
We are sure you did your best and at least tried it... And we are thankful to you for that... But you should also understand the difference to do your best or to do Argonath best...
In such case you just did not match the Argonath developers vision on what admins team should be...

Each of you got tips and hints in Private Messages... It can help you to review your vision on what admin should be and stick to Argonath vision...

***

And for those whose disappointment turned into gossips behind the scene... Yes, players do not know all things which were going on... Yes you can start tell them everything you want... But we warned you and asked do not speculate and take the demotion in a decent way...
Your speculations and discussing who stayed in team and who got demoted will just show the correct decision of the owners to demote you...

[JDC]

Each of you got tips and hints in Private Messages... It can help you to review your vision on what admin should be and stick to Argonath vision...

I was not told any of my strengths or weaknesses in my PM, I would have appreciated it so I would know what to reevaluate and work on so I can improve myself. I guess it's up to me to find it out then, same for those who didn't get PMs telling them their weak points.