SA:MP admin restructure

[Nexxt]

Guys, I thought some of you could handle this better.
Its not the end of the would, try to RP again, fix your weakness and get a new chance.
Its not that hard, yes I really care that I got not into the new team, but why not try to FIX it, instead of post useless arguments here.

I see a lot of people being like: "Damn Nexxt was a great admin" , but I realise I look good towards the public for some people, although still I do not have the requirements from the Argonath vision of the developers.
From the outside it all looks cool, but developers knows what's going on with individuals .


For example my situation:
I won't tell my exact reason and details, but I can do my admin work good, but sometimes there is something slightly wrong with my attitude. That's one of the reasons why I couldn't pass, how much people like me as admin or not.
Only thing is fix that, not argue about it and that goes for all problems.

[Devin]

Can you give me those 10 names who discuss their demotion with you in that way, so I will be sure they will not pass the new round if they will apply again...

Im not questioning your decision, but dont you think that may be a bit harsh?
I mean, If you where in the same sort of situation im sure you may also feel a bit betrayed and could be pretty annoyed after doing everything you could and now you are dropped like this?

Many of the admins which are no longer admins had put their lives into it and its just over and change is always difficult when you have spent all your time doing it. And remember, most of those are still young so they do not take situations well, its similar to them as losing a pet or family member.

After some time they will calm down and realise it was a needed change because nothing can last forever and change is always good no matter what it is.

[Aragorn]

Whats the "Betraying"? in this situation? Removing rights and giving tips what to change?
How does that become a betraying?

We did inform admins long time before...
We did tell how the vote will go
We did inform when it will happen
We did inform each in PM on a case of loosing rights or not...
We did thank all admins for the time they wasted on servers' work...

How the f**k is that betraying anyone?

Should we just stop creating a team WE WANT and start putting to admin everyone who thinks that he is 100 % perfect admin for Argonath or set admins just because someone somewhere said that or this guy rocks as admin?

However, already 4 times in topic was said - that was not a matter of developers caprice...
Each guy was a personal case...

What do you want to say with all those "Aw that guy was an awesome 100 % admin and he got demoted"...
That developers do not have idea what is a good admin? Or they made decision from nothing?

[Devin]

How the f**k is that betraying anyone?

as i said, they feel "betrayed" or decieved for some reason, they would never want to lose their positions because they loved their work.
No one ever would want to lose something important to them like thier Jobs as admins.

[Legolas]

You still dont understand. Maybe they love this job and it was somethin important. But this is not reason to keep admin who is not good in his job/task.

[Gandalf]

The comments and 'riots' show nothing that has not been expected.

On forehand we told that no admins would be fired because we think they are bad, they are fired because we feel they were not for 100% up to they standard they should have been.

The suggestion to  let players decide on the faith of admins is one that will never be fully implemented. Players, while having the most contact with admins, can not see the whole picture.

If  someone wishes to become admin and helps out new players, he would get many votes. But only main admins and developers would see him say 'another f**king noob I helped' in PM or CB, showing a different attitude.

As for the rumours of us not allowing players or admins to speak their mind, this is complete BS. Many of our leaders and managers got their position because they are not afraid to speak their mind, and some admins held on to their position longer as they might otherwise have done had they not been honest and frank.

We appreciate any player or admin wanting to contribute in a positive way to the server and community, even if this means that we clash our thoughts now and then.

As for the topic, I believe it has reached its use. If you wish to leave any comments do it in the next 24 hours, after which it will be locked.

[Kojak]

I would like to make something very clear to everyone. I have read many statements asking why this admin was dismissed because he worked his socks off, or why that admin was dismissed because he was constantly answering reports.

In many of the cases you have mentioned I can assure you that this simply isn't true, if it was true they would still be admins now. In addition to the rare instances of admins misusing their commands or behaving badly, the main thing I was looking for was admins simply doing their jobs; responding to reports, stopping their game-play to tend to admin duty.

I was not looking for amazing admins who dedicated their lives to Argonath; I was not looking for admins who displayed unquestioning loyalty to Argonath. I was looking for those who quietly do what they are supposed to do, day in and day out with no fuss or bother. Consistent, solid admins who are reliable, fair, strong people. People who are capable of leading us into a new chapter. We did find a few people like that, and they are still with us.

There is no point in saying Admin A was a great admin, he shouldn't have been dismissed, as it is just not true. That doesn't mean Admin A was a bad admin, just not what Argonath wants and needs. Already I'm getting complaints saying such and such an admin was on last night and didn't do anything! The server was out of control! Rule-breakers everywhere and that admin ignored it all!! So I check the logs and find that same admin was working like crazy putting out fires all over the place, so I ask myself was that person lying or is it all just a matter of perception?

That's the point isn't it? You all have your perception, where as we have the facts. In that sense I sympathise with the community, but I can assure you that if you knew what we knew you may feel very differently.

Kojak

[Frank_Hawk]

There are comprehensive differences between what the logs can suggest and the actual in-game experience of the time in question in my own perspective. Physical and tangible manipulation can influence decision making, friendly banter can disengage your serious side, and I would explicitly specify human nature of ones values determine this and extensively more. In essence, the decision as highlighted in my previous posts have been one of a birds eye approach ensuring equality and ensuring the core commodity of our community is intact and most importantly future proof.

I believe we have a critical flaw within Argonath in the sense that nature progression is what motivates players to pursue a administrator orientated role in line with their commitment of improving the community. It is the only option available to players to cement their commitment towards the community and I believe we should have more roles encouraging people to take responsibility for this community. This will lead to a self-efficient community and towards the value of interdependence.

I made a post on page 10, which highlights the need for greater scope and consideration around the job portfolio of Argonath. Please review and where appropriate discuss among yourselves.

[Gandalf]

There are comprehensive differences between what the logs can suggest and the actual in-game experience of the time in question in my own perspective. Physical and tangible manipulation can influence decision making, friendly banter can disengage your serious side, and I would explicitly specify human nature of ones values determine this and extensively more. In essence, the decision as highlighted in my previous posts have been one of a birds eye approach ensuring equality and ensuring the core commodity of our community is intact and most importantly future proof.

I made a post on page 10, which highlights the need for greater scope and consideration around the job portfolio of Argonath. Please review and where appropriate discuss among yourselves.

This is something that is noted by the developers and leaders as missing, however it will take a complicated operation that involves not just a simple restructure to reach this.
We are developing ideas for a future game mode, that will be designed about giving players targets to reach without losing the freedom. It will comprehend ways for experienced players to be challenged, and the object is that experienced players need more challenge as new players, as they already have accomplished the basic things. It may be a contrary thing to what is seen elsewhere, as instead of making things easier or giving more rights to experienced players, we envision making it more hard for them, there by challenging them to use their experience.

[Caltson]

I Think that i did my best. If that's not good enough to qualify then so be it. I have been given my bad points and i'll work on that if i want to become a moderator again.
Instead of staying at this point, I move on.. It's sometimes hard to get along with it, but i'm sure i'll get trough.

Time to move on, You never know what news may be around the corner...

[MasterNeo]

All admins and former admins did a great work on contributing the good deeds on the server. Especially to those admins that kept answering on newcomers questions and PM and work hard.


I need to say his because having some people that saying the same thing as i am is just not enough..
The contribution is much more than we can ever say 




 

[Lucky]

Come on guys, see the positive things, all the Ex-Admins can regain their ability to RP, which they lost during the Adminjob.

[Andy]

Well... All I am going to say, is good luck with the team right now. I hope it gets you what you actually want. I'm sure you guys know what you are doing. Althought, I was kicked too. I will try to fix my weakness and reapply for the admin team. Congratulations to those who stayed.

[Pancher]

I believe that the Server Owners and Administrators did handle this reconstruction very good and they were very clear towards the "old" admin team of what was going to happen.

They gave the information that there will be changes and how they will go through it. They did also make personal contacts with PM's to inform the result of this reforming and gave notes of what each and every individual need to work on in future.

And i cannot agree that the administrators, who had to leave the team, waste there time since many of them did a very good job even if they didn't full-fill the Owners vision.

"Backstabbing".. I cannot either see how the "old" admins who had to leave us got "backstabbed".. Everyone were given the chance to show there best of how they work and how interested they were of working for the Argonath RPG community.

[Kessu]

Hmm.. I'd like to give my opinion also..

I understand the reasons I were fired, and I am trying to improve from them, and re-apply when I feel I am ready to come back to A-Team..
It's not the end of the world as I see someone thought this is.. I saw alot of positive comments about this, now whining, why? Because they got kicked and they didn't like it.
From my opinion, this is a very good chance to admins who got fired, to improve what was told in PM and Role-Play for a bit before applying back to A-Team..
I have nothing bad to say about this, even some people may have..
I will still help new players in server, answer to their questions and tell what they did wrong (if they do) and what not to do again..
It may be harder to get their attention without being in /admins, but you can always call an admin to help you if you need to get their attention

-Kessu