Dice and Other Forms of Illicit Gambling

[Kojak]

GAMBLE AT YOUR OWN RISK

If you choose to play dice with another player you should keep in mind that you are not playing dice against Argonath, but against a random player who may or may not pay you your winnings. Dice is not officially sanctioned by Argonath and Argonath will not take responsibility for any losses you incur while engaged in this type of activity.

Players who 'scam' you by not paying you your winnings will not be banned or forced to pay you. You and you alone are responsible for your money and Argonath administration will no longer intervene in such matters.

If you find yourself the victim of such a scam, you may call the police of take the perpetrator to court, although you should not be surprised if you find the authorities are not especially enthusiastic about helping you.

If you're reading this and you think it means you have a green light to seek out new players so you can part them from their money using this method, for your own sake please think again. Argonath will protect new players from the parasites and predators of San Andreas and if you are found to have wilfully scammed a new player in any way you will be exiled to a far away place in the form of a ban. Be warned.

Kojak

[Chuck_Norris]

Thank you for straightening this, this way i know what i'm looking for

[E-1337]

Voted for sticky!

[Andy]

Great words Kojak. That was needed. Hope it's settled and everyone understands now.  :hurray:

[Aksel]

Good work.

[Pancher]

I hope people now understand why i haven't take any actions against players when they done this kind of "bad gambling".

[Seskom]

GAMBLE AT YOUR OWN RISK

If you choose to play dice with another player you should keep in mind that you are not playing dice against Argonath, but against a random player who may or may not pay you your winnings. Dice is not officially sanctioned by Argonath and Argonath will not take responsibility for any losses you incur while engaged in this type of activity.

Players who 'scam' you by not paying you your winnings will not be banned or forced to pay you. You and you alone are responsible for your money and Argonath administration will no longer intervene in such matters.

If you find yourself the victim of such a scam, you may call the police of take the perpetrator to court, although you should not be surprised if you find the authorities are not especially enthusiastic about helping you.

If you're reading this and you think it means you have a green light to seek out new players so you can part them from their money using this method, for your own sake please think again. Argonath will protect new players from the parasites and predators of San Andreas and if you are found to have wilfully scammed a new player in any way you will be exiled to a far away place in the form of a ban. Be warned.

Kojak

Court says they cant interveiwe either and what does police do if the person was ban evader?

[Jcstodds]

Scamming, and Gambling safely

  Firstly, I'm fed up of people coming to me saying "This player scamming said he will bet me 100k that I could roll higher dice. I rolled dice higher now he wont pay." and lo and behold, neither player who 'bet' even had such amounts, or any intention of paying. The winner claims "he is scammer because I lost 100k if he doesn't pay", loser claims "he did not even have 100k to bet". So what to do in this situation?...

Scamming Is only when people lose their own money. It is not scamming if you lost gambling money that you should have/ could have won. So in the scenario above, it is definitely not scamming, so the winner is wrong. Loser is also wrong, since he was dumb enough to gamble with imaginary money.

How to bet safely:

#1 Use a trusted person such as a casino operator (legal) or someone else that both players can trust.
#2 Agree on bets. Send your bet to 3rd party.
#3 If you win, 3rd party pays winner the money.

  This is how casino's (should) work, except you pay the croupier before you bet, if you win they pay back (usually double), if you lose they keep your bet. In casino's, since it is legal you can always take the casino to court if they do not pay.

[Seskom]

Scamming, and Gambling safely

  Firstly, I'm fed up of people coming to me saying "This player scamming said he will bet me 100k that I could roll higher dice. I rolled dice higher now he wont pay." and lo and behold, neither player who 'bet' even had such amounts, or any intention of paying. The winner claims "he is scammer because I lost 100k if he doesn't pay", loser claims "he did not even have 100k to bet". So what to do in this situation?...

Scamming Is only when people lose their own money. It is not scamming if you lost gambling money that you should have/ could have won. So in the scenario above, it is definitely not scamming, so the winner is wrong. Loser is also wrong, since he was dumb enough to gamble with imaginary money.

How to bet safely:

#1 Use a trusted person such as a casino operator (legal) or someone else that both players can trust.
#2 Agree on bets. Send your bet to 3rd party.
#3 If you win, 3rd party pays winner the money.

  This is how casino's (should) work, except you pay the croupier before you bet, if you win they pay back (usually double), if you lose they keep your bet. In casino's, since it is legal you can always take the casino to court if they do not pay.

Its called attempted scamming cause you could have lost 100k and he could have gained 100k so it was ATTEMPTED scam wich failed hardcore

[Rusty]

With the increase in Gambling nowadays I see more regulars complaining over this, I had one instant this guy I shall not name pm'd me and starting moaning like hell cause someone said they'd pay him 100k for a taxi ride and when they didn't he got all upset and kept harrassing me to take action when I told him I won't as it's his own problem. 

Want to Gamble either politely ask an admin (I'd watch over a bet when am free of time) to watch or someone else.

[Inkognito]

I remember such cases have has happend before. There were stated, that gambling outside casinos are illegal. So, if you decide to gamble in a casino - feel free to use video and audio recorder to record agreement between players to gamble in one or another sum, and, I believe feel free to take player to the court case. If courthouse would dissagree on charges for 'scamming', you could start another charge for breaking agreement between two players. Agreement should sound like that: I, Player A, Agree to pay the sum of <...>$, if in 'Highest Wins' Dice game I will loose. Sum will be paid to Player B if he would get higher number then me. Then, player B should repeat the same, just with the names changed Admins wouldn't be able to help you, but courthouse - should.

[Seskom]

I remember such cases have has happend before. There were stated, that gambling outside casinos are illegal. So, if you decide to gamble in a casino - feel free to use video and audio recorder to record agreement between players to gamble in one or another sum, and, I believe feel free to take player to the court case. If courthouse would dissagree on charges for 'scamming', you could start another charge for breaking agreement between two players. Agreement should sound like that: I, Player A, Agree to pay the sum of <...>$, if in 'Highest Wins' Dice game I will loose. Sum will be paid to Player B if he would get higher number then me. Then, player B should repeat the same, just with the names changed Admins wouldn't be able to help you, but courthouse - should.

Court dosent accept cases made by unoffical worker of casino...

[Pandalink]

Scamming Is only when people lose their own money. It is not scamming if you lost gambling money that you should have/ could have won. So in the scenario above, it is definitely not scamming, so the winner is wrong. Loser is also wrong, since he was dumb enough to gamble with imaginary money.

So basically, scamming is allowed.
Just another reason not to gamble.

[Kojak]

Just another reason not to gamble.

It's a reason to think for yourselves, to weigh up the risks and take responsibility for your own actions. Personally, given my statement above, I would choose not to gamble. You can decide for yourself.

Kojak

[Gandalf]

So basically, scamming is allowed.

Scamming is when a player is losing money as a result of a trick.
An experinced player telling a new one to wire him 2k in order to get more money is a scam.
Gambling for money and not paying when you lose is not a scam, its taking a risk. If the person you gamble with happens to be having some friends, you might end up hurt...