Why is it that SA:MP players are srs bussnies?

[Gerrie = Banned (Daco)]

^ RPG = RP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JDC]

JDC, we RP the way we want to in Argonath. If new people want to RP like us, that's not our bloody fault.

Stop harassing RPers simply because they dont think the way you do.

People like you RP the way they want to, and end up pissing off people from the MTA:VC Veterans up to the Owners themselves. I'm sure you've already read the Owners' posts against these 1337-RP-Customs seeping into Argonath.

JDC can't roleplay himself and he is barking all day about 1337 roleplayers, lol...

You're quite the person to judge a book by its cover, aren't you? I haven't even spent a lot of time with you, so you don't totally know how I RP, let alone my personality. JDC isn't made up only of the things he posts on the Forums.

And thank you, Aksel.

If you don't mind, please do name 4-5 persons. I really want to know who ENFORCES their role-play.

What I seem to understand from you, JDCdesigns, is that you don't know what your talking about ("some who I even don't know or have no knowledge of). Believe me, I've role-played with the most variate type of people, from rookies to veterans, from nice guys to rude ones and I've never seen them saying things such as: Don't powergame this, don't metagame that, use brackets this, etc that.

Since we've both played for quite some time on Argonath, I was sure you'd come across some of those people, who teach new players how to RP on Argonath the way people RP on other Servers. I have, but I don't remember their names. I've even seen some nutcases saying "I will form a group that will teach new players this great style of RP".

I was able to make references to people who I do not even know, since judging from the reactions of seasoned Argonath veterans up to the Owners themselves, there must be quite an amount of people spreading bullshit from other Servers and asking others to RP according to their style. You don't see RON pissed off and Gandalf posting against it for no reason, do you?

First - I'm not posting against rules or regulations. I am just saying that there's no such thing in Argonath. Although some use brackets (for example) I've never seen them motivating others to use it. I don't care if a person comes to me and talks with brackets, because that's THEIR way to role-play. Who am I to condemn them? Creativity and imagination MUST always take place, in Argonath.

I did not say that you were posting against rules and regulations, in my last post I was referring to people who reacted to my post which was made against those useless "rules" / "regulations" / customs / bullshit from other RP Servers, sorry for not using the correct word order.

And as I mentioned above, I've come across some people condoning and even advocating the use of such things... it happened many times in quite a long time though, so don't be surprised if I don't remember their names.

Second - I do not support nor condone those kind of actions. Once again, I respect everyone with their way of role-playing - they can have all the rules they want, as long as they don't start taking on me for not using the same rules, which, I've never seen happening.

Have you noticed all those people condemning me for speaking against brackets, IC / OOC, and Powergaming / Metagaming? (Ironically, things which the Owners have also condemned / spoken against)

If you look deeply into their posts, you can obviously see that they condone / support the things which I have spoken against.

Third - Until you do not give me those 4-5 names, I will consider that your observations are wrong and the reality is, indeed, otherwise.

As I mentioned above, I don't remember names, I just know that there are quite some of them on Argonath, from those who support those bullshits indirectly to those who openly condemn others who speak out against it.

Let's say you meet a stranger walking a dog on the street, a long time ago, although you don't know him well, so you eventually forget his name. You just remember that he was wearing this or that and that he was walking a dog.

Once you name me those persons I will make sure that they reply on this topic, because I don't believe there's such thing as 4-5 persons saying to the rookies: use this, use that.
Not because I think everyone is a good player, because I know some aren't, but because I know that, those, who are considered "bad" players, don't even take the time to ENFORCE their kind of role-play to rookies.

Some of them do, although there aren't many who force others to do the same. The farthest that most of them will go is to openly support their kind of RP, which is riddled with things that do not have place on Argonath.


I'm sorry if I made any wrong observations about you, Joey, in any of my previous posts. I just thought, judging from your reaction to one of my previous posts, that you were among the supporters or condoners. A mistake on my part.

And the name's JDC for short, just call me that next time.

[Argoplayer]

The MTA:VC way was cool, but I prefer SAMP.
But yes, SAMP is full of dickheads.

True, i was one of them...

[Pablo]

JDC is actually a quite good roleplayer. Just because he is not using brackets and OOC/IC, doesn't make him a bad roleplayer.

just because, we use brackets and else, doesn't make us abad roleplayers.

[JDC]

just because, we use brackets and else, doesn't make us abad roleplayers.

If only I could send you back in time, to MTA:VC, you would easily learn how to RP without needing those.

I do understand that people are free to RP the way they want on this Server, but if they advocate a style of RP full of things that have no place here or openly criticize / detract anyone who discourages its use or speaks against it, then that's where the line is drawn. Don't forget that you are on Argonath RPG, which isn't like the other RP Servers.

[Frank_Hawk]

JDC, You claim that Alan is 'pissing' off MTA:VC veterans and in turn the owners yet you are oblivious to the fact that RP can be tailored to a certain extent. Gandalf has made it clear that tailoring the concept of RP is perfectly acceptable within a group. However, what is important to note is that we should not be enforcing our will and methodology into our peers. Instead, we should be relying on creativity and imagination allowing each player to be a distinguished member of the community.

I understand that you are concerned with the level of diversity within the community. As a result of your concern, you should consider pitching an e-mail to the owners regarding these players who are considered to be enforcing their will onto others. We will not benefit from blind accusations been tossed around the forum as it will not instil the value of positivity in line with the highly acclaimed atmosphere in MTA:VC.

Since we've both played for quite some time on Argonath, I was sure you'd come across some of those people, who teach new players how to RP on Argonath the way people RP on other Servers. I have, but I don't remember their names. I've even seen some nutcases saying "I will form a group that will teach new players this great style of RP".

Whilst you preach and preach regarding positivity, conduct and behaviour - you have shot yourself in the foot by mentioning the above. Taking into consideration, that there is no group focussed on new player development, I take it that the above comments relate to Inferno 9 [i9]. A sly attempt to slander our group will not go unnoticed by me or the wider community. Inferno 9 [i9] have introduced many new players who would be otherwise ignored into our community whilst equipped with the principles to succeed. Inferno 9 [i9] as a result, have a strong track record for excellence through governance and the desire to succeed. We are unique based on the spirit of this community which supports creativity, imagination and ingenuity which all play critical factors.

By reflecting on your posts in this topic, I can see that you are aligning very closely with Aragorn and Gandalf, yet indirectly imposing your own sanctions that haven't even been agreed in principle. I cannot speak for Gandalf or Aragorn, however cloaking yourself using their coats as protection will expose you.

[EliteTerm]

In the early days, Argonath never needed IC/OOC or Success/Fail. They RPed as they went.

Let your imagination run wild.

Think about this: You start off with a hobo drinking rum which turns out to be contaminated with a virus that turns the hobo into a zombie, and we have an outbreak of zombies and someone starts using vegetables and fruits (Trobby ) against zombies, but some gained super powers and saves the day, with a celebration at the nearby strip club with dancing clowns and FBI Agents, and some terrorist group radiated several towns in which the police and military was deployed to evacuate citizens and kill/capture mutant creatures, then a horrible weather disaster that virtually destroyed the city, and then there's lawless times where the government has failed to protect the citizens in which the guys did whatever to protect themselves and others from hackers and deathmachers by camping at a secure location and enforce the lawless city.

The list goes on. This is the true value of Roleplay that Argonath has proudly built upon it.

[Emre]

In the early days, Argonath never needed IC/OOC or Success/Fail. They RPed as they went.

Just like it keeps going on VC:MP,which is IMO the best way to have fun,even tho its not the most ordinary way

[Joey_DeRossi]

Very well, JDC.

And as I mentioned above, I've come across some people condoning and even advocating the use of such things... it happened many times in quite a long time though, so don't be surprised if I don't remember their names.

As I mentioned above, I don't remember names, I just know that there are quite some of them on Argonath, from those who support those bullshits indirectly to those who openly condemn others who speak out against it.

You see, JDC, you have just proven my point.
I always "contested" your replies because I know that Argonath doesn't suffer of "role-playing enforcement".

Also, it is clearly, in both the quotes, that you don't know what your talking about. First you say it was quite a long time ago, secondly you say that there are some in Argonath...where do we stand?

In my opinion, your arguing about something that does not exist. Perhaps you have that image but - the truth is - it isn't the way you see it.

[Grovyle]

Think about this: You start off with a hobo drinking rum which turns out to be contaminated with a virus that turns the hobo into a zombie, and we have an outbreak of zombies and someone starts using vegetables and fruits (Trobby ) against zombies, but some gained super powers and saves the day, with a celebration at the nearby strip club with dancing clowns and FBI Agents, and some terrorist group radiated several towns in which the police and military was deployed to evacuate citizens and kill/capture mutant creatures, then a horrible weather disaster that virtually destroyed the city, and then there's lawless times where the government has failed to protect the citizens in which the guys did whatever to protect themselves and others from hackers and deathmachers by camping at a secure location and enforce the lawless city.

Omg yes
Anyways, I think this conversation about "OOC/IC/Brackets/other stuff using people VS people that are not using them" is bullocks.
Let people RP as they want... they'll be punished by moderation/administration if they force other people to use it or flame them for not using them, and---.........on second thought, I think I already made my point.

[Romeo]

Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.

I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.

I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.

Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.

The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.

[Grovyle]

Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.

I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.

I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.

Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.

The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.

Money...
A small thing that can cause an human to be a demon.
Impressive

[Brad.]

Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?

How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?

[Romeo]

Money...
A small thing that can cause an human to be a demon.
Impressive

Obsession leads to a clouded mind, and clouded minds lead to destruction.

Keep a clear mind, it'll do you good.

[Squeak]

Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.