Why is it that SA:MP players are srs bussnies?

[Que]

Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?

How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?

I don't know, but somehow, we are.
I wonder if I stop use brackets, do I roleplay like a master then? Maybe join some events and use some cool smileys. And ah yeah, pee on a officer outside LSPD. Wow, I gotta try. I'm doing gooooood.

[Fabio]

Listen to this guys, this is some valuable advice to those who are obsessed with money.

I've been playing since march, i've been a money-hungry criminal for a long time.
I've lost friends, been kicked from groups, been banned and punished for my greed.

I have achieved my goals, I own a massive house, private jet, my favourite business, and you know what?
It's boring.
I've never been so bored on argonath in my life.

Money is boring, it's destructive, and it ruins the right-minded roleplayer within.
If you wish to keep your interest in this server, then kill that stupid lust for money
and roleplay.

The only reason i've kept my assets and wealth is purely to support my group.
both of my properties are public HQ's for my group and my jet was bought as
a family jet, and the remainder of my money is sieved into my group to keep it
afloat.

Guess the warnings I give to players who move to SA:MP are correct then...

Its good to see that you have seen past it all Romeo, and remember there is always a place waiting for you back in VC:MP where you started...

Nothing wrong with playing SA:MP, as long as you know not to get hypnotized by the money and power.

[Oliver]

- Gandalf himself

You're making him seem like a god or something.

[JDC]

JDC, You claim that Alan is 'pissing' off MTA:VC veterans and in turn the owners yet you are oblivious to the fact that RP can be tailored to a certain extent. Gandalf has made it clear that tailoring the concept of RP is perfectly acceptable within a group. However, what is important to note is that we should not be enforcing our will and methodology into our peers. Instead, we should be relying on creativity and imagination allowing each player to be a distinguished member of the community.

My apologies... It seems like I did not use the appropriate words to convey the idea that I had in mind, as I made those last posts after not having any sleep for 27 hours... something that usually blurs my mind and causes me to make mistakes.

I may have made a mistake by using Alan in the reference in the first place, I was not thinking clearly, so since he was one of those who seem to denounce my posts supporting Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP, as bullshit, I ended up thinking of him together with those enforcers, at once.

This is not a futile attempt to cover up any mistakes... one of my problems is when sometimes, I have an idea I would like to convey in a Forum Post, but I end up failing to use the correct words, so when it is read, it could come off as something else. Usually people who end up doing the above would think or say to themselves "It sounded much better in my head...".

I understand that you are concerned with the level of diversity within the community. As a result of your concern, you should consider pitching an e-mail to the owners regarding these players who are considered to be enforcing their will onto others. We will not benefit from blind accusations been tossed around the forum as it will not instil the value of positivity in line with the highly acclaimed atmosphere in MTA:VC.

Posts I have made encouraging others to adapt a style of RP that has originated in MTA:VC have drawn highly inflammatory reactions and even insults, which have become the reasons for the succeeding posts.

Whilst you preach and preach regarding positivity, conduct and behaviour - you have shot yourself in the foot by mentioning the above. Taking into consideration, that there is no group focussed on new player development, I take it that the above comments relate to Inferno 9 [i9]. A sly attempt to slander our group will not go unnoticed by me or the wider community. Inferno 9 [i9] have introduced many new players who would be otherwise ignored into our community whilst equipped with the principles to succeed. Inferno 9 [i9] as a result, have a strong track record for excellence through governance and the desire to succeed. We are unique based on the spirit of this community which supports creativity, imagination and ingenuity which all play critical factors.

I did not make those comments in reference to Inferno 9 [i9], I was talking about real nutcases... people who have actually bumped into me, antagonizing me and saying that what I talk about is complete bullshit and how they will form a group that will impose their style of RP on others. I know very well that some of the people within i9, yourself included, are people respected within the Argonath Community, a status that those nutcases would not attain.

I had no intention of slandering you or any of the other [i9] members, and I definitely, once again, did not direct those comments in your direction.

And fortunately, those nutcases I have spoken of, have never been able to make their planned groups into a reality. I don't even remember their names... not that I would want to. I don't recall any incident where the said group or any of its representatives have denounced Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP, which something that I remember one of those nutcases did.

By reflecting on your posts in this topic, I can see that you are aligning very closely with Aragorn and Gandalf, yet indirectly imposing your own sanctions that haven't even been agreed in principle. I cannot speak for Gandalf or Aragorn, however cloaking yourself using their coats as protection will expose you.

I do not need to cloak myself with their coats for protection. I make these posts with the knowledge that I would answer for anything they cause. When I stated that I adapted their views, I already anticipated these "hiding" comments or accusations in advance.

And please enlighten me as to what sanctions I am indirectly imposing on others... I do not recall intending to impose sanctions. The best I can do is speak out against those who denounce MTA:VC-styled RP in favor of things that have no place on the Argonath SA:MP Server, so I have no intent of imposing any sanctions... since in the first place, they are not within my capabilities. Why waste my time?


If I truly and personally made these posts with the negative intent of raising chaos, I would resign the Admins Team, FBI, and =AV=, to disappear from Argonath.


And for those who are confused as to who are the people that my posts criticize, I'll make it clear once and for all.

• People who denounce any form of support or advocation for Argonath MTA:VC-Styled RP
• People who advocate or support customs / "rules" / "regulations" from other Servers that have no place here
• People with the open or secret intent of spreading styles of RP to others, in the hopes of eventually getting them to stop considering MTA:VC styled-RP and take a view against it, in favor of things that have no place here. Those who fall under this category, and who are at the very extreme end of it, are the ones I have spoken of as "nutcases".
  
• And lastly, the "Enforcers".

Post Merge: March 03, 2010, 01:50:42 pm

You're making him seem like a god or something.

That's not what I was trying to do

I'm pointing out (without the intent of ass licking), that Gandalf is a wise person who knows what he says, before he says it. For example, observe all his posts within Politics and Religion.

Who the hell started this Brackets make you a bad roleplayer idea?

How on eart can being able to seperate IC from OOC properly make you a bad roleplayer?

You do not need brackets to properly separate "IC" from "OOC". It's found in one of Gandalf's past posts.

In Argonath's early days, back in MTA:VC, everyone did not need "IC / OOC", Brackets, and "Metagaming / Powergaming". We just RPed and had fun, without being bound by all those "rules", "regulations", and customs that are so widespread in SA:MP. We didn't have trouble distinguishing this from that.

Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.

Tru dat.


I apologize for any mistakes that I have made, and I'm expressing these views as my own as well, not hiding behind any of the Owners.

[Frank_Hawk]

JDC, I understand that your intentions are good and that you are looking to build upon the values of MTA:VC which worked very well in the past. However, what concerns me is that you are contradicting what you have said. For example, you condemn the structure of IC and OOC yet you encourage the use of MTA:VC RP. There is no official RP approach that has yet been enforced throughout the community. The rules, regulations and Argonath vision all align with the fact that we are free to implement our own principles into our RP though we agree not to enforce it upon others.

In relations to the comment on sanctions, it is from my perspective you are bouncing off the statements made by Gandalf and Aragorn. Whilst I understand this to a certain degree, the overall consensus is that we are free to implement our RP as long as it doesn't cause any harm to stakeholders involved. I have witnessed you several times consistently exploding on /p and in turn the forum. This shows you really care about the community which is great but at the same time controversial. I'm pleased you have made the effort to communicate and address the matter through the forum and engage all those involved. You will suffer no damage from the community for speaking your mind and therefore not having to give up your rights. Building on your comments, please disclose the names of problematic people identified therefore we can build a trend to see whether we can take appropriate action against them.

I believe the way forward is that we end this conflict of supporting certain ways of RP and start embracing universal understanding of RP. It's a matter of adapting to the player in front of you regardless of them being new, regulars or veterans of the community.

[Pandalink]

Let me put it this way.
SAMP is to Argonath as /b/ is to 4chan, full of cancer.

Not to mention the most popular.
I like your metaphor, sir.

[JDC]

Thank you for your understanding, Frank.

By MTA:VC RP, I refer to the style practiced by MTA:VC Veterans (including people like Grze) and some SA:MP Players. It has no solid, concrete genre but any forms it may take all have one thing in common: they do not need any of the useless customs that have caused so much controversy on Argonath SA:MP.

I do continue to pursue and express my views, even though they have earned me controversy and insults such as "you're full of shit". I continue to do so because I want to help increase others' awareness to the problems that I have tackled, those which have enraged certain people (RON included) so much.

As for your request for me to disclose names, I do not know the names of every single person that would take criticism from my post or feel opposed / tackled by it, but I do know those who have reacted negatively (and some extremely negatively, to the point of outright denounciation) to any of my posts which have encouraged MTA:VC RP while speaking against the useless customs on SA:MP. Namely Que and Alan Demarest. At first I also thought Joey_DeRossi was one of them until I eventually came to the observation that he did not condone or support any of the things I denounced.

It's natural for me to receive insults and various negative reactions if I do post in this manner, even though a large part of my posts were based on quotes from the Owners. I do understand that people are free to impose any style of RP within a group, and RP any way they want, but there's a line between them and the people who act as if RP is nothing without many "rules" and "regulations", including those who openly advocate the said things. From my observations, I have come to the conclusion that it is the latter who has caused such an uproar from the community and even anger on the part of the Owners.

[Frank_Hawk]

Yes JDC, MTA:VC is much commended throughout the community. There are many examples of its fruit including players such as Rusty, Cutter and many more. However at the same time, through the unconventional method of IC and OOC RPing, we have some very talented people too who play an important role in the community. I believe we should distance ourselves from MTA:VC and IC/OOC RP. These are both negative attributes as far as this topic is concerned. As mentioned in my post above, we must be able to accept all methods of RPing whilst keeping strong control on those who enforce it upon others.

Due to the consistent badgering of OOC/IC/MTA:VC attributes, we are subsequently losing players to rival communities. We are distinguished from competition, in a sense that we are able to embrace all varieties of RP. It's time to work together, cease the negativity and do what we do best.

[LeoC]

All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?

[Fabio]

All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?

You don't understand what we mean by money dosen't matter, in SA:MP, some people (I have seen it MANY, MANY times with my own eyes) will do ANYTHING to get the money or power they think they deserve. Even if this means breaking the rules, and this is what needs to be put a stop to and people need to learn to appriciate the servers RP values instead of ruining the enviroment for the rest by doing whatever they want to get money and power.

And to comment on the MTA:VC part of the discussion, in MTA:VC, our fun used to come from everything, which includes our RP which didn't have moaning, our events which were really fun that didn't have moaning, and when people did want to earn money there was no moaning.

If I was to come on to the SA:MP server at the time when the DD is being held, and maybe someone is bugged or someone rulebreaks to try to gain a advantage in the DD, the other guy who is the victim will flame or provoke and then the whole siutation will come out of hand.

Not a personal attack towards everyone in the SA:MP community, SA:MP has improved in the last year but there is still a lot of work to be done.

[JDC]

Argonath MTA:VC achieved fame using MTA:VC RP, if we can stand out the same way in SA:MP, using it as well, we will still end up standing out from the other communities. Argonath MTA:VC was a place where everyone was free to RP their own way, but since Argonath MTA:VC's dominant style of RP stood out from all the rest, it achieved the status of being one of the most famous MTA:VC Servers ever.

I am personally sick of people who keep moaning and bullshitting that "Argonath is non-RP" because they fail to see MTA:VC RP for what it is, because they play and measure everything by IC/OOC RP Standards.

True, part of the Developers' Vision was for Argonath to be a place where people are free to RP, which is exactly why IC/OOC RP is opposed, since it bounds roleplayers with lots of useless "rules" and "regulations" that have no place in Argonath.

[9r2e5i3k]

All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?

That's not constructive. It'd spoil the new guys, not showing them what's role-play.

Better to give out some kind of mission or job to do [preferrably to a new guy] and pay for it. That way you'll get rid of the cash you don't seem to need while inducing some role-play. Even the simplest "bring my car" will do, but you can make more complex plans.


@JDC's posts

The best you can do is play your best and be an example for new players. I don't think it's possible to change the regular players using IC/OOC and other "rules", since they have a different definition of "a good role-play".

[JDC]

I know that Grze, but it's possible to increase others' awareness against people who try and impose them or attempt to use it to replace Argonath MTA:VC RP. I'd like to do that at least, since I can't eradicate the problems' sources completely.

[Frank_Hawk]

JDC - You are contradicting yourself.

There is no set approach/method of RPing which is endorsed and approved throughout Argonath. IC/OOC does not limit the values of free RP. In fact, it propels the imagination of players to seek creative, interesting and challenging scenarios. Though I do not support it, I believe it adds some great elements to our community.

The approach/method of RPing in MTA:VC is not part of the Argonath vision. If it was enforced throughout the community, I believe we would see a rapid decline in players. The same applies to IC/OOC, which for if it was enforced would see another rapid decline in the player base. The two RPing methods are very different in context with a variety of benefits and disadvantages. Most importantly, we must distance ourselves from labelling roleplay scenarios as IC/OOC or MTA:VC. Instead, we must embrace all methods of RP and integrate them in line with the Argonath vision.

By consistently preaching about MTA:VC principles of RP being the most favoured. You are subsequently enforcing it onto other players instead of creating awareness. For example, if new players read this topic and see what you've written in line with your SA:MP moderator position - they will quickly be led to believe we should be RPing MTA:VC style instead of the general RP we should be supporting. 

[Pablo]

All you guys who says that money doesn't matter, why don't you just give it to someone who really wants it then?

That's right, why not?