Justice is blind

[Boozman]

Remove /su and roleplay/investigate the situation instead..

Then non RPers will take advantage of that and Run anyways, then what?
Cops are Shit out of Luck.

I Think it is just a matter of People don't want to loose things they buy (like guns) so they don't RP.
People need to slow down and ACTUALLY RP, not get pulled over and do like 2 or 3 /me actions and Evade.
I try to RP to the best of my ability, the only time i don't is if it is a dyer situation.

I Have noticed alot of things about Argonath lately, for about the past 4 months or so, more new players come in and RP is less active around Argonath. Its all DM, Cops and robbers type shit. Its really Pissing me off. Don't take that as a moan, it is the truth.
I stayed with Argonath for its unique RP. A mixture of OOC and IC.
But don't me wrong, i don't want Argonath to become another Shitty Real Life server. I just wish people would start doing more of that awesome Argo RP instead of getting to their house to store their weed or weapons.

Give me admin rights for a day. I'll agree if I myself see that what you say is truth.


Same as forum name.


Interesting thing, he had time to read what I PMed to that freecop, he didn't have time to read my report. Interesting, interesting...


As I said, put me in admin chair for a day. I enjoy helping newbies get around the server, even if they stay only for a day or few hours. Living and playing without a gang or a mafia or a clan is a great thing, gives you much time to do whatever you want and be wherever you want.


I covered that in my first post. I didn't feel he should live in a lie.


But little sonny-boy wanted to use his /su command and SMG sooooooooo much. How can you even think of resisting such an act? How can you not understand what you could do? Crush all his hopes and dreams of legal, yet unjustified DM.

You bring a good point good sir, and i will say. Most people do it ALL for Money, and Weapons.
There is no more RP for good fun, its all about the stuff.

You may of not been here as long as some other players, but you get it.
And for that my friend, you have my respect.

[Patton]

You don't notice that kind of stuff in a day, I'd say a month. And well, it's beyond my limits to give you admin rights, so, sorry.

I understand. I'm an clan member (with moderator rights) on a small ET server, where we have smaller problems, but it is all set in the mainchat in matter of seconds. I'd only imagine how would it look if we had a bigger game server. However, I can't take my mind of the fact that an admin had time to go through my PMs before my reports.

Then non RPers will take advantage of that and Run anyways, then what?
Cops are Shit out of Luck.

I Think it is just a matter of People don't want to loose things they buy (like guns) so they don't RP.
People need to slow down and ACTUALLY RP, not get pulled over and do like 2 or 3 /me actions and Evade.
I try to RP to the best of my ability, the only time i don't is if it is a dyer situation.

I Have noticed alot of things about Argonath lately, for about the past 4 months or so, more new players come in and RP is less active around Argonath. Its all DM, Cops and robbers type shit. Its really Pissing me off. Don't take that as a moan, it is the truth.
I stayed with Argonath for its unique RP. A mixture of OOC and IC.
But don't me wrong, i don't want Argonath to become another Shitty Real Life server. I just wish people would start doing more of that awesome Argo RP instead of getting to their house to store their weed or weapons.You bring a good point good sir, and i will say. Most people do it ALL for Money, and Weapons.
There is no more RP for good fun, its all about the stuff.

And for that my friend, you have my respect.

You may of not been here as long as some other players, but you get it.

The non RPer got me pissed off. No info on what's going on, just 'leave, or I /su, then I shoot'.

I like Argonath too, don't get me wrong. I tried few servers before Argonath the day I installed SAMP client. Argonath was last on my list. However, I stayed here because people were friendly. It was not dry RP, it was fun RP.

I remember when I came. My good friend here, Xander, thought me how to play my best. RP all the way. Screw the money, the weed, the heroin. Ok, have those, have them as much as you want, but don't make them your primary goal. I was new to this game, to this RP thing, and I believe I can RP better than some oldschool guys. I understand the concept.

And you know what, Boozman? Today, I shut down my RP music store. Why? Only thing that happened is my employees PMing me about giving them payments for questionably RPed jobs. Nobody wanted to come and spend $50 cash on a small RP. Two reasons: 1) you lose cash 2) you have to take time to RP.

I've stopped caring about business, I've stopped caring about groups, I've stopped caring about weapons and drugs. I come here to play and enjoy myself while doing so. I'm not going to waste my time and chase after few grams of weed a cop is going to /su me for from other part of the map.

Thank you for your thoughts. Have a nice day.

[Boozman]

Let me point something out...

1) YOU LOSE CASH 2) YOU HAVE TO TAKE TIME TO RP.

These are the biggest problems for non RP, but there is really no solutions.

Welcome to Argonath RPG.

I Scrolled down and saw this, You say that Daco because you are one of the guys who contributes to non RP.

I cannot tell you how many times i have attempted to RP with you (and many others) and it turns into a DM fest of w/e.
Its not just you, but i notice it from you.


Come on people, stop becoming Dependant on Money, Drugs, Weapons, etc.
Start becoming more Dependant on Friends, Good ol' RP, and Fun.

Thats what Argonath was made for, a place where we can all come and chill. Hang out and do some good RP.

Not a server that has the letters 'RPG' in it, but in reality it is just a place where people evade everytime you attempt to Pull the over, or get shot at whenever you pull someone.

[MasterNeo]

There is a timezone..where...whenever you online you got the


PM

""please help me''
''Hi Neo, Whaddup??''
''Hey, Cna you help??''
''Look its rocky!!''
**/reports**
**/reports**
when i help the ''hey, can you help'', it took me like 5 minutes then the ''please help me'' guy said, '' Are you even looking at the report??'',''How did you do your job??''

then additional flood on useless at /p about who's the mature and deserve to talk about hairy *** and sex stuff...

IcyAero already give some picture of situation that's happening when you are becoming one. You have to think carefully before starting to flame the admin for not looking at your report or even making multiple reports. You are NOT the only one who makes the report. please be reasonable. Think about the others too....

[Patton]

These are the biggest problems for non RP, but there is really no solutions.

What I said. I tried few forms of cash-earning to buy my first car. All of them ended with "WTF, how can you charge so much for that? I can't even really get it!" and me wasting time trying to RP.

You say that Daco because you are one of the guys who contributes to non RP.

RP = Serious business, punk. If you want to screw around, then go for it, but I can't even imagine how your attitude is helping you outside this game.

Come on people, stop becoming Dependant on Money, Drugs, Weapons, etc.
Start becoming more Dependant on Friends, Good ol' RP, and Fun.

Listen to this man, people, you'll know that what he preaches is true when you try it. I was bored first few days until Xander came to help me explore Argonath, since he was my only friend here. Now, I know many people here, I can hang out with each one of them whenever I come.


I'd like to point out something. Few days ago, a new guy came to this server. I don't want to call him out, he'll recognize himself if he reads it. Somebody on chat asked how to do xx thing. I answered with usual 'RP it', since that was something that was not scripted. The new guy replied with 'RP is not enforced' and started a childish argument on what we should and should not do. That's the problem - giving information that RP is not enforced. Don't get me wrong - it shouldn't be enforced, but that must not be a reason not to apply it.

[Que]

Then non RPers will take advantage of that and Run anyways, then what?
Cops are Shit out of Luck.

Then make a rule that you have to roleplay on the server and not "I don't want to roleplay with you" thingy which is lame, and it's only allowed to do against criminals, because if I say something like that to a cop, they'll suspect me right away, and then the shootout begins, yay!

I Have noticed alot of things about Argonath lately, for about the past 4 months or so, more new players come in and RP is less active around Argonath. Its all DM, Cops and robbers type shit. Its really Pissing me off. Don't take that as a moan, it is the truth.

But that's like the issue, it's all about the money from the cops side, there's never a clean roleplay investigation. Always "SURRENDER" blam blam, always..
"NO LOOK AT MY NAME I'M DARK BLUE, I HAVE A LOT OF POWER". Yay! Fuck that, make freecops have the same color and make them feel as special as the darkblues.
I remember that I roleplay with Vince once in Las Colinas, and instead of suspecting me, he made a very good roleplay situation out of it. I appreciate things like that.
So people, if you want to make argonath a better server, then do something about it.
Stop use the /su command so badly on people who is actually trying to roleplay with you.

I stayed with Argonath for its unique RP. A mixture of OOC and IC.
But don't me wrong, i don't want Argonath to become another Shitty Real Life server. I just wish people would start doing more of that awesome Argo RP instead of getting to their house to store their weed or weapons.

Explain what Argo RP is? Is it when the 1337 roleplayers actually does a epic roleplay situation or is it when the 2001 roleplayers have a event?



Argonath has changed, same as the roleplay on SA-MP.
If you haven't realized, there's like two groups: The 1337 Roleplayers and the Same Old 2001 Roleplayers.
And they're fighting over this endless roleplay war, how roleplay should be and such.
The 2001 roleplayers want Argonath to be FUN and WOHOHO Mainchat, and do not like anything who has to do with serious roleplay and usually discriminate those who use brackets and so on.
Then we got the 1337 roleplayers, who like to play serious and use brackets and doesn't support things like powergaming and metagaming, and they do not like the lame 'yo, andy!!' when the player actually don't even know this guy. (metagaming), and they usually push away these 2001 roleplayers.

The 2001 roleplayers want everything to be like it used to be and they haven't realized that the roleplay has changed, there's more than 60 percent that use brackets and OOC/IC. Even though Argonath does not support it, I know even developers who use it sometimes. Even highranked admins.



(The names: 2001 roleplayers and 1337 roleplayers is not anything serious, I just made up names so everyone could see the difference between them)

[Boozman]

Then make a rule that you have to roleplay on the server and not "I don't want to roleplay with you" thingy which is lame, and it's only allowed to do against criminals, because if I say something like that to a cop, they'll suspect me right away, and then the shootout begins, yay!

Rules, Rules, Rules.
The more rules there are, the more there are to be broken.
Why don't we leave it the way it is, and do things the Old fashion RP way.
Not run, pull weapons from nowhere and lag shoot the shit out of SAPD.

Enforcing strict RP becomes more, and more like RL servers where only RP is allowed.
RL servers i absolutely hate. Its not about what we would do IRL, its about what we would do in Argonath.
And yes, DM and Metagaming will never leave Argonath. And there is no real solution to rid the server of these extreme Metagamers.

Argonath has changed, same as the roleplay on SA-MP.
If you haven't realized, there's like two groups: The 1337 Roleplayers and the Same Old 2001 Roleplayers.
And they're fighting over this endless roleplay war, how roleplay should be and such.
The 2001 roleplayers want Argonath to be FUN and WOHOHO Mainchat, and do not like anything who has to do with serious roleplay and usually discriminate those who use brackets and so on.
Then we got the 1337 roleplayers, who like to play serious and use brackets and doesn't support things like powergaming and metagaming, and they do not like the lame 'yo, andy!!' when the player actually don't even know this guy. (metagaming), and they usually push away these 2001 roleplayers.

I agree with you there.
2 different kinds of groups exists on Argonath.

Those that DO RP, and Those that are SUPPOSE to RP but mostly DM and Metagame (Not naming any groups in particular).

The 2001 roleplayers want everything to be like it used to be and they haven't realized that the roleplay has changed, there's more than 60 percent that use brackets and OOC/IC. Even though Argonath does not support it, I know even developers who use it sometimes. Even highranked admins.

Explain what Argo RP is? Is it when the 1337 roleplayers actually does a epic roleplay situation or is it when the 2001 roleplayers have a event?


(The names: 2001 roleplayers and 1337 roleplayers is not anything serious, I just made up names so everyone could see the difference between them)

Ya know, all this talk reminds me of a post Cutter made awhile back.

* Boozman digs through Cutters post...

Ah here it is:

Here is what happens to me when I go on any other server where there is no /p.

Cutter: Hey how can I start a job?
*Silence*
*Looks at the radar, sees no one*
*Sees a player nearby after running around 10 minutes*
Cutter: Hey mate how can I get a job
Player: f**k off noob
*Moves to another player*
Cutter: Hey how can I get a job
Player 2: Didn't you read the z0mg tutorial which lasts for 8 whole minutes telling you everything?
*/q*

Effects are simple -
1) Many new players will simply not come on a server where you need to read a 10 minute tutorial to begin a freakin' game. This is because many may not even know English properly to comprehend the meaning of the tutorial. Besides that most want to have fun - not read a gaming epic saga...
2) No /p means means lesser friendship between players. Argonath RPG has its strong foundation based on the friendship. Many of our members love the community and the friendship and hate /p, not knowing that the essence of that strong foundation may have been /p itself. Think about how many of you began your gameplay using /p and communicating/findout out your friends or people who you know share your thoughts/views....
3) No /p also means that the new players may go to a player is simply not prepared to help. This gives a very bad impression of our server.

Cutt3r

That is exactly Why Argonath is so unique, we don't force people to RP.
But RP is how and it should be done.

Like Cutter said, we dont force new players to sit through a 10 Minute tutorial teaching them the proper way to RP.
Argonath RP is special.
It is the PERFECT mixture of IC and OCC.
There is no need to /me everything that you do, but like basic stuff is what is needed.
Not this:

Player1 (1) says: Sir, Do you know how fast you were going.

Player2 (2) says: No officer i cannot say i do...

Player2 (2) Reaches into his jacket slowly.

Player2 (2) Pulls out a black gun.

Player2 (2) Pulls the trigger.

The Police Officer falls to the ground (Player2 (2))

Player2 (2) Gets out and stomps on his radio so no backup can be called.

Player2 (2) Gets in the car and drives off.

its too much right?
When now it is like this:

Player1 (1) says: Sir do you know how...
*Player2 drives off
Player2 (2) has been suspected by Officer Player1 (1) for EVADING
*5 minutes later
Player1 (1) shouts: /gu!! Now!!
*Player2 lag shoots Player1 and kills him.

Argonath RP should be about half of the first Example.
But it isnt, it is the seconds example.

All im trying to prove is the lack of RP, and i want Argonath to go back to its old self.
I want to have the same ammount of fun we used to, without the DM and Metagaming.

[Que]

I think you and many others should take a look at this post.
Metagaming has always been here, so as the DM.

Well I have been meaning to make this topic for a long time now.
I have been in Argonath since August 2006, so quite a long  time and I have seen Argonath generations come and go. From these generations usually around 10 people stay put. And from these people's mouth I have heard one sentence a lot over these 3 years:
Back in.....
Let me show you what I mean.
October 2006 Argonath, first players started-

Back in August 2006 we truly roleplayed not hunt for money like now!
February 2007
[iBack in 2006 Argonath players truly roleplayed in MTA:VC and weren't money hungry like now[/i]
September 2007
When SAMP started players were better roleplayers than they are now. Back at then we roleplayed for fun not for money
March 2008
I remembred the 2007, back then we had better roleplaying groups and we weren't money hungry moaners
December 2008
I remember RS2 scripts, those were better days....
June 2009
I liked the 2008 more, then we didn't have so many moaners and freecops who would deathmatch

I even saw something like that in this years December. All I am trying to say to you people is, do not use that kind of thing as an argument, as Argonath have not gone worst with the years not SAMP nor any other server. But why does it feel such a way for some.... I let you figure it out yourselves.

Player1 (1) says: Sir, Do you know how fast you were going.

Player2 (2) says: No officer i cannot say i do...

Player2 (2) Reaches into his jacket slowly.

Player2 (2) Pulls out a black gun.

Player2 (2) Pulls the trigger.

The Police Officer falls to the ground (Player2 (2))

Player2 (2) Gets out and stomps on his radio so no backup can be called.

Player2 (2) Gets in the car and drives off.

its too much right?
When now it is like this:

Player1 (1) says: Sir do you know how...
*Player2 drives off
Player2 (2) has been suspected by Officer Player1 (1) for EVADING
*5 minutes later
Player1 (1) shouts: /gu!! Now!!
*Player2 lag shoots Player1 and kills him.

Argonath RP should be about half of the first Example.
But it isnt, it is the seconds example.

That's even better than:
Player1: /ad Shoot me and I'll shit bricks
Player2: LOOOOL
Player3: LOOOOOOOL, rofl, LOOOOL
Me: /L So how much do you want?
Player4: LOOOOOL
Players5: Omg that was awesome, i rofl'ed like 20 mins lolololol
Player6: /ad For Sale: House in El Corona
Players1: /ad Kiss me, and I'll shit bricks.
Player2: LOOOOOOL HAHAHAH sorry for caps-
Players3: LOOOL again, anyone need some helpzors?
Him: /L (( Sorry, I didn't see anything 'cause of the spam ))
Player1: Hihi
Player10: OMG OMG ADMINS BAAAN
Admin1: Drop the caps, please
Player10: FFS BAN NOW
Admin1: /warn drop the caps
Player11: yoyoyo!
Player5: Yo, bro
Player55: zup, zup zup.
Player12: lol
Player1: /ad Winner: Player 44
Player44: yay, I won, yay!
Me: /L (( Damn .. ))

I don't support to remove the mainchat, i certainly don't.
But I support a simple command which allows you to shut of it yourself if you don't like it. It gains those who wants to roleplay at that minute, and it gains those who wants to chat and they'll not hear any complaining about the spam.

[Boozman]

I read that post about an hour or so ago.
And yes, i know.

and on Cutters post, I wasnt really talking about Cutters point on /P.
It was more about the fact on how other servers run.
and yes, /P is just like that.

But i was more making the point at how a typical "RP" so to speak ends up now.

[Que]

I read that post about an hour or so ago.
And yes, i know.

and on Cutters post, I wasnt really talking about Cutters point on /P.
It was more about the fact on how other servers run.
and yes, /P is just like that.

But i was more making the point at how a typical "RP" so to speak ends up now.

Ah, okay. I do support a lot of /me commands anyway, as it is the best roleplay command to express something towards the other player.

[Boozman]

Yes, /me needs to be used MUCH more often.
But like i said, not as much as my first example, then that turns into a RL server type thing.

[Sago]

Then non RPers will take advantage of that and Run anyways, then what?
Cops are Shit out of Luck.

I Think it is just a matter of People don't want to loose things they buy (like guns) so they don't RP.
People need to slow down and ACTUALLY RP, not get pulled over and do like 2 or 3 /me actions and Evade.
I try to RP to the best of my ability, the only time i don't is if it is a dyer situation.

I Have noticed alot of things about Argonath lately, for about the past 4 months or so, more new players come in and RP is less active around Argonath. Its all DM, Cops and robbers type shit. Its really Pissing me off. Don't take that as a moan, it is the truth.
I stayed with Argonath for its unique RP. A mixture of OOC and IC.
But don't me wrong, i don't want Argonath to become another Shitty Real Life server. I just wish people would start doing more of that awesome Argo RP instead of getting to their house to store their weed or weapons.

You bring a good point good sir, and i will say. Most people do it ALL for Money, and Weapons.
There is no more RP for good fun, its all about the stuff.

You may of not been here as long as some other players, but you get it.
And for that my friend, you have my respect.

I agree

[JDC]

1. There will be no Command to disable Main Chat, as this will produce people who cut themselves off from New Players who do not know how to ask for help any other way simply because those people are stuck in their own world of RP.

2. Stop with this fucking moaning about Admins not responding to Reports, they are not robots and cannot be in 8 places at once.

3. There is no IC / OOC on Argonath. On other Servers, they are an essential, but here they are total BS.

4. Non RPers will always be in Argonath SA:MP, and as much as you and I hate them, there's nothing we can do about it. If someone doesn't want to go along with the RP, then resort to more drastic measures as long as they are within the limits.

[Squeak]

Who cares? It's not like it's going to change.
EDIT: This message was directed at the RP discussion.

[Fabio]

As I said, put me in admin chair for a day. I enjoy helping newbies get around the server, even if they stay only for a day or few hours. Living and playing without a gang or a mafia or a clan is a great thing, gives you much time to do whatever you want and be wherever you want.

Admin work isn't as easy as you think, thats one thing people need to learn.

Its not just about about /warn, /kick, /ban, /pm.

Its also about how a admin handles pressure from every corner of the server while trying to balance everything that is going on in their life. There is new players to help all over the server, there are new players all over the server who are rulebreaking, and there are regulars all over the server thinking they can bend the rules.

So there is a lot to handle, if you think your up to the challange, SA:MP moderator applications were open, I'm not sure about them at the moment, you can ask Ronnel.

But believe me, you need a lot of experience, and patience to understand how this community works and how to handle it, its not as easy as you think.