Argonath Role Play, a forgotten skill ?

[Gandalf]

As we progress in time it seems that we get more and more layers who learned the wring habits on other servers. Some find our rules too open as they are used to stricter ones, and take it as excuse to either break the rules or impose theirs on others. There for a small guide to RP, the Argonath way.

1. RP does not need to be scritped.
Many ideas to create jobs, scripts, ranks and other things are requested as people seem to have no idea on what to do. For those people, the origin of RP is without any script support. In the early days of GTA roleplay, any RP was based on what was typed on screen. People bought houses you could not enter, businesses that were closed, or hotels without rooms.
And people paid each other money without getting anything in their inventory, they paid because they made RP of buying something.
It it so hard to use your imagination and do something virtual ?

Bad example:

* Gandalf sells grey brooms

Player: how can you sell brooms, they do nothing

Good example:

* Gandalf sells white brooms

Player buys  a broom.
After 5 minutes pPlayer comes back and tell the broom did not work.



2. Public chat is communication
In the earlier days, all RP of 26 people went through a public chat of 8 lines. Nowadays, with all local, cb, pm and other chat people complain about not being able to read even when they can use 20 lines of chat.
The public chat gives opportunity to greet your friends, help new players and create a friendly atmosphere. Although often it seems to be used for whining, complaining and flaming. If it will be removed, it will be because of the whining, not because of it beung useless.

Bad example:

* Gandalf Hey all

Player OMG spam I can not read my screen.

Good example:
/me: Hey all
Player: Hi

3. Use imagination instead of force.
It seems extremely hard to use the brains for a number of people. Not only do they feel the need to make a difference between 'In Character' and 'Out of Character' by using funny brackets, lately they also feel the need to force others in to actions.
The latest is using /me for an action and then askig yes/no or succeed/fail.
This takes imagination out of roleplay, and causes forced scenarios.
Instead of asking for a result, let the player think of one.

Bad example:
Player pushes Gandalf  succeed/fail

Good example:
Player pusghes Gandalf
Gandalf looks confused.

[Hidduh]

Good topic Gandalf, I totally agree.

[MrTrane]

Good topic Gandalf, I totally agree.

[JayL]

Good topic Gandalf, I totally agree.

[Wayne]

It is easy to do this kind of roleplay, i experienced myself.
But seems like players complains about this method.
They dislike metagaming and/or powergaming, then start screaming and telling the famous "Learn to RP"
So, shall i use my admin powers against him due to moaning?

[Que]

3. Use imagination instead of force.
It seems extremely hard to use the brains for a number of people. Not only do they feel the need to make a difference between 'In Character' and 'Out of Character' by using funny brackets, lately they also feel the need to force others in to actions.
The latest is using /me for an action and then askig yes/no or succeed/fail.
This takes imagination out of roleplay, and causes forced scenarios.
Instead of asking for a result, let the player think of one.

Bad example:
Player pushes Gandalf  succeed/fail

Good example:
Player pusghes Gandalf
Gandalf looks confused.

* Que pushes Gandalf

* Que pushes Gandalf again so he falls down from the brigde.

* Gandalf runs away
Is that good?

Then Que just pushed Gandalf from the brigde
And Gandalf ran away.

Who have right in that kind of situations?

Fail/Success is something that is used to give the other player a opportunity to do something different. Otherwise you could force anyone to do whatever, and if he don't, the moan will start, for example.

But I understand your point of view as well.

[TheRock]

good examples you got there Gandalf.... And yep... almost all of the roleplayers nowdays use brackets to recognize IC from OOC.... silly but some groups still use this way..

[battle]

I have seen those situations alot as you say, i try to avoid the succed/failed thing as much as i can, but then ppl starts to yell powergaming as some 1 said above me. But i totaly agree by your point, i remeber how argo was 1 year ago, it's totaly different now.

[Arch]

I agree, but 1 of reasons people dont RP , is that they actualy CAN choose beetween RP and non RP. Example

PM from Player: Come meet me at LSPD
PM to Player: Ok coming

People will ofcourse use PMs for any kinds of stuff like that,while they can

Your phone is ringing.
Player says: Hey come to LSPD
Arch says: ok coming
You hung up.

So at many actions we can actualy choose from RP way and nonRP way ...

But...if you remove the nonRP way...people cant do anything but RP...

I ofcourse use PM only , on Argonath , while on other server I call my friends or send sms. And I dont moan on those servers that I must call everyone, AND you pay for how long your call was... (if you are the caller). And that way I use RP only as I cant go by nonRP way

[Petar]

In some situations we need strict RP , for example 3 cops come to Player 1 ,
Cop1 grabs Player1
Cop2 & 3 help
Player1 runs
Player1 : xDxD u fail u can't force me to Rp xDxD

Or when you get /frisk-ed and the cop finds drugs , xDxD I keep my weed xD u can't force me to RP.

[Gerrie = Banned (Daco)]

2. Public chat is communication
In the earlier days, all RP of 26 people went through a public chat of 8 lines. Nowadays, with all local, cb, pm and other chat people complain about not being able to read even when they can use 20 lines of chat.
The public chat gives opportunity to greet your friends, help new players and create a friendly atmosphere. Although often it seems to be used for whining, complaining and flaming. If it will be removed, it will be because of the whining, not because of it beung useless.

Bad example:

* Gandalf Hey all

Player OMG spam I can not read my screen.

Good example:
/me: Hey all
Player: Hi

No.

There should be a command for people that don't want to see the retardness and "omg look I'm gay'' stuff with a command to set the public chat off.

Players shouldn't be forced to see all that crap.

[ElMartu]

Players shouldn't be forced to see all that crap.

Why not? You 'can't RP because of the spam'? I barely get affected by the public chat when i roleplay

[Jubin]

* Que pushes Gandalf

* Que pushes Gandalf again so he falls down from the brigde.

* Gandalf runs away
Is that good?

Then Que just pushed Gandalf from the brigde
And Gandalf ran away.

Who have right in that kind of situations?

Since when is Role Playing about right and wrong? Of course in that kind of situation I would not just continue role playing with Gandalf and would search for someone else.

[Aksel]

I am sorry, but I don't agree with you Gandalf. Can't you let us who likes to roleplay the way we want do so? As far as I know, most of the people that moans is the people that don't roleplay strict.

[Sarah Jones]

Good topic Gandalf, I totally agree.