CHANGES that will affect ALL ARPD

[Pancher]

I'm not going to continue the discussion here TheRock since it would be more off-topic then it already is...

[CBFasi]

Daniel, sorry for the bits that spoiled it but that was an affect of the previous attempt to change name colour for SAPD.

Too often we listen to the louder complainers after a change and the change gets cancelled.

The colour change is to solve a number of issues, the freecops are the biggest issue, a number of admins and SAPD seniors, including myself have spent time undercover, doing cop work as good as normal but with that light blue name and we got treated like shit by many of SAPD and CRIMINALS.

Fact was simple, I did SAME sort of work that got me where I am as far as cop works go yet I was treated differently... why was it so obvious I was different, different colour name.

I also know that a number of SAPD told me they would leave if they lost their Dark Blue....
Its not my loss, its theirs over a colour..

I do not enjoy forcing a change but prior experience showed this one had to be, but its not a personal change, this was actually discussed with a number of individuals and agreements were obtained.

Criminals... please note careful use of words... FRISK has been disabled not removed......
The alternative will likely be WORSE for you once I have done the coding AND discussed with a number of individuals I wish input from.

[9r2e5i3k]

New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)

And I bet you don't even tell them via PM if they did a mistake in their actions and instead of that you whine "OMG abuse, requesting unsuspect" in public chat.

Learn the difference already, people! New guys don't abuse - most of the times they just don't know the rules too good yet. Abuse is when people break the rules on purpose.

[Pandalink]

I quite like the idea of all law enforcement having the same colour, but as I've said before, the key word is "all".

As for a "new" frisk system..
.. bring it on >: D.

[Chase]

The feds' problem is that they seem to role-play only between themselves. That's the source of the "-OMG FBI doesnt rp -OMFG yes we do, watch us!".

You guys should role-play around criminals while undercover, take pictures and stuff, show them that you're sniffing and role-playing. Don't just arrive with guns pointed at the suspects. Because most of the times from the criminal's point of view you just go in, shoot (sometimes cuff when the suspect doesn't move all) and seek for a next target.

Prove your skills by showing them to others (especially to criminals, spectating civilians), not only the involved guys from your own side, like heads of police.

About time someone posted something professional that did not involve group flame.

However, I'd suggest you post it in FBI forums under Suggestions board. PROFESSIONAL feedback with NO GROUP FLAME is always welcome.

As far as the changes are concerned - Fine with me. I'll just roleplay frisk in hopes of getting honest results. I'll also try to focus more on non-drug related stuff.

[Vince]

For the third time, interesting changes. Some of it will take time to get used to and some if it shouldn't be there but for the most part hopefully, ti will change something...

[Uninhibited]

I finally agree with the idea

[Arch]

And I bet you don't even tell them via PM if they did a mistake in their actions and instead of that you whine "OMG abuse, requesting unsuspect" in public chat.

Learn the difference already, people! New guys don't abuse - most of the times they just don't know the rules too good yet. Abuse is when people break the rules on purpose.

Did I ever said anything opposite of what you just said?

They dont know rules, and why not make system that you cant go on duty without passport? Or if you dont got passport you cant /su ? New people will still be cops and help other cops, but wont be able to /su.

This new color change is no problem for me. But I was just telling it could solve easier.

I dont want to argue with anyone. Im out of here 

[Matthew_Cipricla]

So be it. Cant complain about the changes, but will be interesting trying to get drugs out of people.... Atleast people cant discrimigate against freecops and ARPD.

[9r2e5i3k]

They dont know rules, and why not make system that you cant go on duty without passport?

Not a good solution, and conflicts with the server vision.
Better make a system that would teach the new guys the rules quickly in an interesting way. Currently the most 'interesting' way is to learn them by watching regular players. If you think out a better idea, make a topic (again, limiting cop work from new players is NOT a solution).

Or if you dont got passport you cant /su ? New people will still be cops and help other cops, but wont be able to /su.

Great plan. Then 3/4 of the criminals on the server will tease the cops, shoot them, the cops can't suspect so they will either die or kill the 'suspect' and get fined instead of rewarded. Really great.

However, I'd suggest you post it in FBI forums under Suggestions board. PROFESSIONAL feedback with NO GROUP FLAME is always welcome.

Could you post it there on my behalf? Just quote the post.

[JDC]

Bull.
The FBI is worse than the SAPD, a darker colour looks better, which is the opposite effect.
If the rest of the ARPD is going to have one colour (which is fine, by the way) then the FBI also should.


SWAT are an elite unit, the colour is justified.

The FBI are just another police faction that got lucky to be one of the first "Police groups" and chose a lovely time to be popular when going into RS3, and hence got script support. Superior groups (SASD?) got totally ignored, because they came too late.

This is going to cause arguments beyond belief.

This is what you call bull. FBI is not a Cop Faction, but a Division on par with the ARPD in SA:MP.

FBI was disbanded in its early days, so all Agents turned into Mafiosos under the name Montana. After that, Fernando was offered the option by one of the Owners to become Official FBI, and here we are. We earned this position.

Maybe that's why they Never (well, okay, 2 times out of 100) they pay to hostages, and prefer a sniper to shoot the kidnapper?

Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.

Go around criminals' HQ's or kidnappers' hiding spots with cameras, sniff around, pretend to be a civilian. SHOW OFF in front of the CRIMINALS that you're role-playing, and make it clear that you're a fed. Then you might earn a better opinion from them.

Grze, that is the problem. I can do that in front of trusted RPers such as MTA:VC Veterans, but the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds), that's why we keep our work discreet.

Those that are moaning.... if it is that serious GO AWAY, LEAVE US, let the rest of the server carry on without your moaning.

tl;dr: Moaners GTFO

[Y2JFaN]

This is what you call bull. FBI is not a Cop Faction, but a Division on par with the ARPD in SA:MP.

FBI was disbanded in its early days, so all Agents turned into Mafiosos under the name Montana. After that, Fernando was offered the option by one of the Owners to become Official FBI, and here we are. We earned this position.


Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.


Grze, that is the problem. I can do that in front of trusted RPers such as MTA:VC Veterans, but the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds), that's why we keep our work discreet.


tl;dr: Moaners GTFO

lol I always saw FBI as a seperate group from cops considering they have no interaction with anyone but a few swat UNLESS they need info, other than that it seems they think they can handle it.

And how can you say, clean and effective? You get the hostage killed! That is liek, so effective nd stuff rite?


Why not create this rule: if you manage to succesfully kidnap and get $$$, if you die in the same Rp before escaping ( no longer wanted) you MUST pay back the $$$ you recieved or you can be banned for scamming?

[Altair_Carter]

I've never had the embarrassment of being caught by a member of your brazilian parkour mafia

That made my day

[rJCaiG]

Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...

[Altair_Carter]

Another Anti-FBI Moaner. We never pay Kidnappers because it was Gandalf who issued the Order for the Government not to pay money to terrorists, and we prefer to end 207s in a quick, clean, and effective manner.

Another FBI-Moaner.

I actually saw someone posted that "FBI expand roleplay during situations" but instead i always see they come, beat asses and during interrogation do some of the /me commands, and jail.
Oh, wait, you also know how to Court....yea, forgot.


tl;dr  Get facts straight.

Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...

Good thing i'm a freecop.