RP Moaning & One-Sided RP

[CBFasi]

Well title says it all, and a recent RP situation will help me describe the problems.

And yes by co-incidence most the moaning comes from the criminals (but not all).


Thoughts

So just how often do you complain about someone for not RPing when that RP situation did not go the way you wanted it too..

How often do you turn up to a RP situation to find that only way to resolve it means less RP from you..

Consider these....


Example of a one-sided Situation.

Criminals have kidnapped a player and has decided to hold up in an underground carpark in Eastern LS
They have blocked the exit/entrances with many vehicles..

Why is this one sided you may think.

Well cops have only solutions the criminals want, there is no chance of success from cop point of view.

RP Solutions...
1 Cops assault and rescue hostage
2 Cops negotiate to get time, and assault to get hostage
3 Cops negotiate to get time, pay then go after kidnappers after hostage released
4 Cops just pay up and then go after kidnappers
5 Cops just pay up and ignore everything else.

If the hostage dies the cops have lost..,
If the cops pay they have lost..
If the criminals get money they have won.

Problems..
Options 1 and 2 will fail due to unfair use of vehicles to block the entrance/exit, taking 'advantage' of SAMPS annoying problems moving close to and on vehicles
Options 3,4,5 well cops are not supposed to pay.

To make things worse... an attempt to clear some vehicles led to a player stating that an admin was abusing his rights and ruining RP ....

An attempt to negotiate failed, I got SHOT while doing so, and then the second attempt failed as I got KILLED trying to get back in to talk.

I then put a kill order out, knowing there was no way for cops to rescue the hostage (not rp but only game option left)


So just what was wrong in all this

Kidnappers seemed to not have planned a way out, so it was situation designed to get the money and cops pissed off.
Kidnappers kept shooting and killing cops WHILE negotiations tried to happen, hence why I backed off first time (after taking fire from kidnappers).
Cops got frustated about the lack of what they could do and went for worst case solution in the end.


So what do we learn..

RP situations need to be flexible, allow for more than the solution than the intended one.

Do nto build a RP situation with only the solution you want, in above, less vehicles to block would of meant more flexibility for both sides....

WHY, simple... a one sided RP situation is only fun for one side, and normally results in moans when it does not go their way..

We are here to TRY to RP, that means BOTH sides, try to have fun, so what if a RP situations changes completely from what you had planned, go with the flow, adapt, its more fun, its a challenge and most of all its unpredicatable so you never know what to expect.

Too often I see moans about cant RP, well actually think about it... is it just not rp the way you want it??


I shall end with a few words

Be fair in your play to all, not just yourself.

[Gregersen]

Criminals have kidnapped a player [....]

RP Solutions...
1 Cops assault and rescue hostage
2 Cops negotiate to get time, and assault to get hostage
3 Cops negotiate to get time, pay then go after kidnappers after hostage released
4 Cops just pay up and then go after kidnappers
5 Cops just pay up and ignore everything else.
[...]
An attempt to negotiate failed, I got SHOT while doing so, and then the second attempt failed as I got KILLED trying to get back in to talk.

Where is number 6?
6 CBFasi comes in his hunter and blows missiles at the building D;

I remember when we kidnapped a guy and took him to SF..
We were inside the house.. You came with a hunter, and went all nuts with hunter, fireing missiles, while I tried to negotiate with cops. That ruined all the RP

[Whiteman]

Nice one CBFasi.

[battle]

Wisely spoken.

[tompa_carloz]

True CBF .. People really must learn they cant only rp one way .. They have to be ready to change the RP as the scenario goes... Like many people almost powergame cause there not open minded about Rp .. only about there own story .. Hope people read this thread and maybe a seed is planted to enhance the gameplay for all sides..

[EminemRulez]

 :roll: What destroys more RPs is the usage of the Hydra and Hunters as Greg posted above, at least let us (criminals) steal the Hunter sometimes, that would be cool

[JDC]

:roll: What destroys more RPs is the usage of the Hydra and Hunters as Greg posted above, at least let us (criminals) steal the Hunter sometimes, that would be cool

Unfortunately, that would also make all hell break loose. Only those who can be trusted with one of those are allowed to touch them, virtually all of which are high-ranking law enforcement.

[JayL]

Not surprisingly you guys are already breaking CBF's topic up with your "COPS RUIN RP" "NO CRIMINALS DO" arguments...

But yeah guys, give roleplay a chance. Both sides.

[Lucky]

So you want Criminals to create a RP-situation, where cops can invade the whole scenario, arresting the suspects?
What's the point of making a kidnap then..the Criminals want to win, that's how it is.

[Devin]

True in both cases, cops do not listen to the suspects when they say dont shoot but the same goes for the suspects, the cops ask them to not shoot and what do they do, they kill the cop while they are trying to negotiate, theres no reason for the moaning becuase it solves no problems, EVER!

[Grovyle]

So you want Criminals to create a RP-situation, where cops can invade the whole scenario, arresting the suspects?
What's the point of making a kidnap then..the Criminals want to win, that's how it is.

/facepalm

Read this CAREFULLY:

An attempt to negotiate failed, I got SHOT while doing so, and then the second attempt failed as I got KILLED trying to get back in to talk.

I then put a kill order out, knowing there was no way for cops to rescue the hostage (not rp but only game option left)

Criminals want to win, they negotiate with the cops, get money, and then release the hostage.
If criminals want money but can't negotiate then there's no RP possible here.

[LeoC]

1. Cops assault and rescue hostage

That's how every RP kidnap looks. I'm trying to negociate with the cops, pointing the gun at the hostage's head. Then, when I'm going to write something, the gun automaticlly lowers. Thats the perfect time for: "/cb RUSH IN GUYS AND KILL EVERYTHING YOU SEE!!1!!1 PEW PEWPEW"

What is the point of even trying make a RP kidnap when it always turn out like this?

And also, I'm not moaning, just telling the truth.

[Devin]

You may say, they will give the ransome, but out of the more than 20 kidnaps ive been in, maybe 2 of them the cops actually gave some money which was something like 5k, then raided and shot everyone.

[LeoC]

You may say, they will give the ransome, but out of the more than 20 kidnaps ive been in, maybe 2 of them the cops actually gave some money which was something like 5k, then raided and shot everyone.

Then what is the point of making a kidnap if the RP just fails when the cops raid in?

[Devin]

Then what is the point of making a kidnap if the RP just fails when the cops raid in?

That is exactly my question, since they barely ever will give a ransome, why do it over and over when they end up getting nearly 4x the amount of suspects inside, then raiding all at once and it turns into a DM party.