RP Moaning & One-Sided RP

[MyleS]

Well title says it all, and a recent RP situation will help me describe the problems.

And yes by co-incidence most the moaning comes from the criminals (but not all).

You should be wondering why... ill tell you.
Sometimes you expect from cops that they will be able to roleplay with you in any kind of situations, sometimes the criminal prefers to /hail instead of /gu, he gets shot. Now they dont even ask for a pull over, /su X Speed... At the end its all moaning.
Cops now, he attempts to take down a suspect, he fails, the suspect kills him, with a combat shotgun for ex, /p Stop Cop Hunting!!! /p You use combat... Lame /p HP Bug! etc... Isnt this moaning?

Thoughts

So just how often do you complain about someone for not RPing when that RP situation did not go the way you wanted it too..
How often do you turn up to a RP situation to find that only way to resolve it means less RP from you..
Consider these....

Some days ago, an undercover unit, wanted to bust me out for drug dealing, i contacted him, agreed on some conditions, met, me and another criminal frisked the two cops, took away their Radios, phones... checked for cameras or wires, they were clean, drove to Desert, gave em 2 bandanas, they put em on, went inside an unknown place, got the cash, gave it to the other criminal, he ran away with it, it was me and the 2 cops at the end, with not means to contact anyone. Everything was Totally, fully Roleplay from both sides... it was just great! 2 secondes after delivering all ammount of drugs, SWAT Suddenly broke in, /su X Drug dealing, known procedure. Now somebody tell me? How Did they know about location when they actually have no contact with the undercover cops and have no idea of the location or when it is the right time to break in... Though i still wanted to Roleplay... we got out... i had weapons and could have at least shot one of em, still i attempted to run away, but died. just some secondes after, i got a strange PM: Money back?
My answer was " Drugs back? Cause if not, and in your roleplay terms, you took the drugs, my friend got away with the cash, i died " Pretty the same thing. After all, he didnt moan or anything, he agreed and i respect him for that.
The whole point from this, is that not only criminals complain about a Roleplay situation that didnt go the way they wanted to, but certainly cops, too. Who sometimes make it go the way they want it to, while its impossible for criminals (Unfair isnt it?)
No one is to be blamed for moaning, either Criminals, or cops they are, whining cant be stopped.

No matter how flexible is the roleplay, how many are the solutions, Roleplay should be based on balanced level, Only both sides are able to make this work.

[Xander]

you forgot a real #6, Fbi come in and kill everything even the hostage lol . had it happen to me once, it was annoying because it showed terrible RP. Although it was rather funny  :roll: . As far as RP goes, this is a role play server. Not a hardcore rp server, but still...you need to role play. Its always good to leave little 'windows' open for the other role player to pick up on and give them a little advantage. Then vice versa. When i do this, its pretty fun. So just role play and have fun. Keep IC and OOC communications open. OOC planned Role play is just as fun actually.

[JayL]

I can tell you most of the people moaning just largely fail to organise their teams well in large scale situations (both cops and criminals).

I don't understand why you guys always get cops, cops cops. Yeah, like said before, cops are highly unlikely to pay. Yet you're endlessly trying to get their attention. Would be much more enjoyable if a mafia would start kidnapping each other and asking ransoms between themselves, no?

Take i9 for example. Do you see them moaning all the time? No, they don't moan, because they can organize themselves VERY well (even though it doesn't look like that when you think "they're just a bunch of gangstas lined up in an open spot", but trust me, they can). Even if they have the smallest amount of support those guys can make the situation very advantadgeful for them. And fun.

[EminemRulez]

Will this bring that "Cops VS Criminals" things again?
Each one has their own members and own tactics. Not to moan, but in most of the cases, criminals loses, why?
As JayL stated, most of them are not organized. But I still going against the usage of Hunters/Hydras. Well, of course we can take them down with some accurance but they can destroy us with one shoot even in case of kidnaps, one of main reasons I deslike cops having such vehicles is because they shoot everyone who is orange, even if the hostage is in the middle of the situation, something that wouldn't happen IRL, that kind of vehicles are used by army... etc.

[Gandalf]

In severe contrast, the criminals have no overall hierarchy governing them under one branch of control. For example, there is no ruling body to control whether [GSF] or Inferno 9 [i9] are breaking the code of conduct for criminals. This is proven through the extension of warnings, kicks and bans within the criminal base which is significantly higher then its SAPD counterpart.

There have been several attempts to realise this, hoewever without someone devoting a lot of time and having the correct contacts in both crime and law enforcement it is hard to set up such a structure. However if someone wishes to create something, I could give directions on how.

[itsonlyaname]

May I just remind those that in this role-play instance, the cops opened fire first. I was originally leading this role-play, I had no intention to phone the police AT FIRST, until a few patrol officers decided to investigate what was going on provoking a response. The large scale of cars was to provide enough cover to hold until getaway vehicles where in place, when the cops opened fire it ended up in what you claim to be a "one sided role-play". Most role-play is biased towards the police force, I speak as an Ex ARPD Senior myself. Police have a lot less of a handicap than our criminal counterparts. They being the police, can weapon equip, return and outnumber criminals, I'm not saying this should be removed but - Criminals do these role-plays' (Kidnapings), because we've very few other ways to make cash. The drug system and weapon system is on such a small scale that we earn barely any money, and it isn't that fun to do.

[Caltson]

May I just remind those that in this role-play instance, the cops opened fire first. I was originally leading this role-play, I had no intention to phone the police AT FIRST, until a few patrol officers decided to investigate what was going on provoking a response. The large scale of cars was to provide enough cover to hold until getaway vehicles where in place, when the cops opened fire it ended up in what you claim to be a "one sided role-play". Most role-play is biased towards the police force, I speak as an Ex ARPD Senior myself. We have a lot less of a handicap than our criminal counterparts. They can weapon equip, return and outnumber criminals. Criminals do these role-plays', because we've no other ways to make cash. The drug system and weapon system is on such a small scale that we earn barely any money.

Why do you ALWAYS need to earn money?

[itsonlyaname]

Why do you ALWAYS need to earn money?

I need a goal to play a game, since there is no "leveing up" systam in Argonath, I find money as that goal. Some may play it for fun, some for a challenge some just outa' bordem. I play it for a challenge.

[Caltson]

I need a goal to play a game, since there is no "leveing up" systam in Argonath, I find money as that goal. Some may play it for fun, some for a challenge some just outa' bordem. I play it for a challenge.

What about the 'goal' to achieve a good roleplay experience?

[itsonlyaname]

What about the 'goal' to achieve a good roleplay experience?

I'd like to think my roleplays are fun, they normaly involve me paying for everything. Resulting that I need cash to be able to roleplay how I wish.

[Mikro]

I have read all the posts here and I am very impresed with the fact that there are a lot of good posts without moaning, flaming and other stuff we don't need for an discussion. I want to thank all those who made those great posts because this will also help me (as FBI agent) to improve my rp and create new posibilities and different rp to make it fun for both sides.

Actually it is funny that I talk about two sides. In some views it maybe two sides, but in rp's like kidnappings there are more things than criminals and cops. We got also the hostages and their family. Why isn't the family involved in most kidnappings? Since that must be the source for the payment.

I will stop typing for now since I am on my iPod... Keep this discusion up!!

[Seskom]

This is like your saying RP is only between cops and criminals, theres alot of other RP also where you do not even think how you will exit the RP. Most of moan about RP is cause someone did something like only superman can do or used some infromation he did not know via RP, everyone knows they dont apply in argonath I do not understand why someone moans, when I feel bad after RP and feel like moaning or saying something bad I will /q and go to paruni to DM or to CS (sometimes I start to work on photoshop also).

[Mikro]

Indeed, rp should not only go between the cops and the criminals, even in kidnappings. Involving other groups in the rp will create more difference, creativity and flexibility. That will result in more fun rp on all the sides. No one should ignore the rp of someone who wants to bring his creativity.

[Seskom]

The RP is currently going WAY beyond cops and criminals, i9 is having some great RP with Cems almost every day, if you know where to look you will be in an RP, the role play is happening inside every gang + between other gangs. Civilians RP in places like LSPD and GS9, drugdealers and weapon dealers are active everywhere. Dont know much about mafias havent seen them for a while.

[Caltson]

I'd like to think my roleplays are fun, they normaly involve me paying for everything. Resulting that I need cash to be able to roleplay how I wish.

Good point, but what's going to happen after you reach that goal?