Disgusting, Lack of Respect for Developers

[Stanley_Taylor]

If there's something you dislike about the updates, this forum is the best place. There's nothing wrong with sharing your thoughts about the updates, as long as you are not bugging the developers about it and you are keeping it nice. I personally enjoy the new updates so thanks again.

[Devin]

Due to this being something which is extremely valid at this current time, im bumping this topic up a bit.

[Daco]

Topic like this will never change anything...

[Devin]

Do I care? no.
I made this topic to try bring some awareness to the people at the start of the month as I knew this was going to happen soon, people ignored me and see what happened.

[Daco]

I understand what you're trying to say here but, the people you're trying to reach out to will never care.

[Gandalf]

I know it is hard for many of the scripting team and some of the leaders, but we already got used to it.
If we make something the players want, they will find a way to abuse it.
If we lighten control on the rules, players will make their own.
If we allow one thing, players will find 100 other things that they feel should be allowed as well.

Don't worry, its all in the nature of growing up. As players are growing from child to adult they:
- test the limits of any authority, regardless if the authority is their own age or other
- try to circumvent any rules to gain something for themselves
- will be absolutely sure that their opinion is valid and tru, all others are wrong.
- will throw a hissy fit if they do not get their way

In a few years it will disappear. At least for some of the better ones.
Others will remain childish pricks their whole life.

[Devin]

Its a shame, how a certain few feel the need to give attitude towards those who are creating things for them to use.
They ask for something and are given it to use, then they feel the need to abuse it instead of being greatful for it and respecting what they have been given instead.

If they feel the need to show no respect and constantly try to cause problems, I do not wish to know how they act in life, since they seem to depict themselves as selfish kids most of the time.

In life, you always meet those who show respect to anyone, no matter how they look or who they are and then you get those arrogent ones who think that they are better than any others because of money, their dress, where they live or any other of those, once they start earning money for themselves and having more than one task to do daily they shall realise how the amount of work the developers are under is extremely difficult to do all at once and then take the grief from those whom have attitude about the developers work and action after a long day at work and now their second jobs which have to be done.

[Daco]

In life, you always meet those who show respect to anyone, no matter how they look or who they are and then you get those arrogent ones who think that they are better than any others because of money, their dress, where they live or any other of those

Word.

[JDC]

Moaners turning coat when a Developer leaves

I am honestly disgusted and pissed off by the idea that some people, some moaners, who moan nothing but stupid bullshit about how entire Server is cop-biased, would come crawling whenever one of the scripters would make a topic about how they are tired or how they might leave.

I am not accusing any specific person who posted in any of those goodbye topics to be a moaner, but observation has told me that even moaners would post in a possible-goodbye topic just so that they won't lose a scripter or developer.


Criminals moaning in spite of easier conditions

If we make something the players want, they will find a way to abuse it.

There are even plans for Criminal script support from David, and CBF, an SAPD Chief, has done so much to help Criminals (cheaper weapons, escape system, more restrictions for cops), but no, moaners had to continue with their stupid moaning bullshit.

"Weapons are so expensive!"
- The hell? We have many Cops dying each day because of Criminals who have shitload of heavy weapons! If ammunation is so fucking expensive, then all those weapons have got to be hacked! *rolls eyes*

"Cops always win!"
- Maybe you just don't have skill to win over Cops.

"I can't f**king get away from these Cops!"
- Then you don't know how to escape properly!!!

Well then if you think the system is SO against them, why don't we f**king put them in a Server with RS3 Scripts and THEN we'll see if things are hard for them in the current Server!


Rules and "Dictatorship" in Argonath by Admins

If we lighten control on the rules, players will make their own.

This is very true. As long as everyone isn't allowed to do everything they want, there will always be moaners. Wait, if that happens, then we will have people moaning that there is chaos then!

People point fingers at the Admin Team, accusing us of "ZOMG ABOOZ ABOOZ" and screaming how this Admin or that Moderator is abusive and how power has gotten into their heads simply because we are executing our duty of enforcing the rules. People then moan of dictatorship and too strict rules- get real, in other Communities moaning gets players banned instantly.


In case you're wondering about the quotes, this is not a response to Gandalf's post. I'm merely writing about things related to the items in his post.

I have my limits as well, and seeing all these moaners, now adding CBF wanting to leave because of these f**king moaners, just pissed me off so much, hence this post. I'm just a human as well, all of us from trial Moderators up to the Owners are human, not robots who people can just heap stress on because "Oh, they can handle it anyway, they're used to it".

I'm sorry.

[Xander]

I agree as far as not many people are respecting the Developers. Which is pretty stupid because without them we would not have Argonath. You people should be thankful for what they have sacrificed for us. I love these guys just like the community like my brothers and friends. Without them i never would have started to play SA:MP. Also not only is the general public showing disrespect to developers, but i am seeing a lot of hate towards each other. Moaner's as far as im concerned can leave...they do not deserve to play here. If you have a complaint, im sure you can PM a Mod or Admin or something and create somewhat of a intelligent 'letter'. Also, another thing im seeing is when someone in Public chat starts to moan and flame....and then 5-6 others tell him to shut up or whatever....Honestly i do not think we need to say "Shut up and stop moaning", im quite sure we can just say "Shut up and[please] stop moaning" respect even towards someone who hates you  or let the present Mod's or admins handle it, they do their job quite well in this server. No body is perfect but that does not mean we should start disrespecting the people who brought us this 'Mona Lisa' our Argonath.

I just want to say that i look at this community as a decent group of friends, even the ones that i do not necessarily role play with or really interact with. That without these developers i would never have met any of you. A few of you have become good Out side of Game friends and its awesome to know i have a good friend to talk to or play a rpg with when i have had a stressful day at school. For this i thank you.

Note: Too all you hater's, grow up and show some respect. If we wish to advance, we must work together, not against each other.

[Sago]

This is a game.
   I play it to have fun.
      Some people treat it like its their life.
          Fear is the fuel of respect.
           

[Graham]

Some people treat it like its their life.

That's true, sadly.

[Oliver]

People seem not to be able to see the difference between moaning, discussing and stating their point of view.

For example, when a certain criminal says that SWAT/FBI/ARPD get way too much script support, they are called moaners.
When cops state that criminals escape way too easily on bikes, they get removed.

I know there's a story behind all that, but that's exactly how it might seem to a bystander. Unless people are given perfect, comprehensible explanations about the developers' actions and the like, they will always find something to moan about.

[Gandalf]

People seem not to be able to see the difference between moaning, discussing and stating their point of view.

For example, when a certain criminal says that SWAT/FBI/ARPD get way too much script support, they are called moaners.
When cops state that criminals escape way too easily on bikes, they get removed.

I know there's a story behind all that, but that's exactly how it might seem to a bystander. Unless people are given perfect, comprehensible explanations about the developers' actions and the like, they will always find something to moan about.

Unless players accept that the developers always look at several angles before taking any action, they will continue to moan discuss.

I have in the discussion requested multiple times what criminals want as script support. The answers:
- a HQ (like you can find official criminal HQ in any city)
- gang cars (so they do not have to use their own / can let their member buy more weapons)
- weapon spawn (because they want free weapons too)

Criminal groups have a lot less rules to follow, and they should realise that with script support will come a number of rules for them to follow as well.

[Daco]

Criminals got enough script support already in my opinion, and yes I was one of them ''omg cops got too much power ffs we don't get shit".

People who are still pursuing moaning those are the ones who I can't understand, I guess they won't shut up until the developers give them /weaponequip too or something, which is completely out of the f**king question.