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Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 08:15:11 pm
Is it revenge killing also, if you get low HP but do not die, but then later kill him?
If so, then I am damn lucky for not beeing banned, I have had this many times.
You have just confirmed that you were rulebraking. Congratz.

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Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 08:16:42 pm
So, let's say one gang constantly attacked another through RP situations due to a - RP, of course - hatred between the two gangs, the other gang couldn't retaliate due to it being "Revenge Killing"? That's just pathetic.

Seriously, they're role-playing gang members... what else do you expect?

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You have just confirmed that you were rulebraking. Congratz.

He may be of been rule-breaking, yes, but in was not in his knowledge that it was against the rules to do so.



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Reply #32 on: April 12, 2010, 08:20:39 pm
Also, Seskom, you claim he says "It was a revenge"
I don't see revengeKILLING here. No rules violation, hmkay?

Post Merge: April 12, 2010, 08:21:15 pm
He may be of been rule-breaking, yes, but in was not in his knowledge that it was against the rules to do so.
* Altair_Carter joke ok?

http://argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=46601.0
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Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 08:24:24 pm
Dosent matter howlong he waited his reason for doing this was to revengekill cause they killed him yesterday as you can see from this screenie

Kind sir, you are an idiot.

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Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 08:29:20 pm

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* Altair_Carter joke ok?

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Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 09:07:12 pm
My definition of "revenge-killing" is when you attack the person who killed you within an hour with the reason, "he killed me before".

Gangs/mafias does have there guidelines or rules (how you want to see it as) on how long time you need to wait before you may do an attack back with a properly reason which is not "they killed us before". Such a reason is an Death Matchers reason and is not allowed here.

To make an summary of this case, it's clearly Death Matching here cos you use the reason "they killed me last night" and you and your group attacked them..
You may never attack someone who killed you to get an revenge, but an gang member of yours may do an revenge attack on them cos they "killed" you but you may not partake in such a attack as mentioned.

When are you allowed to attack them again? You may attack them when you have an other properly reason to do so and when you have an validation on the other gang/mafia or an specific period of time have past which both sides have agreed on..


So yes, you where death matching in this case referring to your statement of reason of the attack...

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Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 09:09:07 pm
My definition of "revenge-killing" is when you attack the person who killed you within an hour with the reason, "he killed me before".

Gangs/mafias does have there guidelines or rules (how you want to see it as) on how long time you need to wait before you may do an attack back with a properly reason which is not "they killed us before". Such a reason is an Death Matchers reason and is not allowed here.

To make an summary of this case, it's clearly Death Matching here cos you use the reason "they killed me last night" and you and your group attacked them..
You may never attack someone who killed you to get an revenge, but an gang member of yours may do an revenge attack on them cos they "killed" you but you may not partake in such a attack as mentioned.

When are you allowed to attack them again? You may attack them when you have an other properly reason to do so and when you have an validation on the other gang/mafia or an specific period of time have past which both sides have agreed on..


So yes, you where death matching in this case referring to your statement of reason of the attack...
Good Definition of Revenge-Killing  :wow:
But wasnt it a little hard Punishment?


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Reply #37 on: April 12, 2010, 09:11:01 pm
I also from time to time say that, as long both sides agrees of the RP attacks it' fine. but as soon one side is reporting that the other is death matching then it's not allowed.

BUT, since that also can be abused and attempt to get admin revenge on your behalf this should be taken into serious consideration cos if you agree and then report them for DM you may be punished yourself for misleading us to "revenge" on your behalf...

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Reply #38 on: April 12, 2010, 09:11:42 pm
From what ive seen.. this is no Revenge Killing, Ganton Ballas attacked him yesterday, now today he hits back... Two different situations.

But seriously, weve got a huge problem In Argonath Gang War System.



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Reply #39 on: April 12, 2010, 09:12:28 pm
Good Definition of Revenge-Killing  :wow:
But wasnt it a little hard Punishment?

Since i wasn't there i cannot say it was to hard or to weak punishment and/or if there was any reports reported to the admins regarding the incident..

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Reply #40 on: April 12, 2010, 09:13:30 pm
Since i wasn't there i cannot say it was to hard or to weak punishment and/or if there was any reports reported to the admins regarding the incident..
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Reply #41 on: April 12, 2010, 09:15:02 pm
From what ive seen.. this is no Revenge Killing, Ganton Ballas attacked him yesterday, now today he hits back... Two different situations.

But seriously, weve got a huge problem In Argonath Gang War System.

With the reason they had it's an Death Matching reason which is not allowed and strictly forbidden since the reason was specific to revenge his death yesterday.

If the reason would have been that an Ganton ballas would have attacked and torture one of his members and then revenge that, or that the Ganton Ballas would have trespassed there territory and broken an agreement between the gangs, then it would have been an allowed attack..

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Reply #42 on: April 12, 2010, 09:25:21 pm
Revenge killing:

One player killing or attacking another player (self of through requesting others to do so) because of his previous actions in game.
There is no time limit on revenge killing.

Gang war:

A conflict between two groups for a RP reason and having a clear objective that is reached when the gang war ends. If a gang war has as reason a previous loss or killing conflict btween the same gangs there has to be proof of an attempt to avoid the gang war from continuing.

As in this case you formed a group in order to revenge your killing, regardless of the time passed, it can be considered revenge killing.

Gang wars are not an excuse for constant shootouts between two groups with or without time delay.

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Reply #43 on: April 12, 2010, 09:35:34 pm
Thanks.



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Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 09:47:20 pm
It is remarkable though that you kept the grudge for so long. I can't usually even remember the people's names from previous day who has killed me, even more holding a grudge over them.

And we do not try to be real life, as why would you ever play real life if you have one ? We play the GTA universe, and our players should try to live in the GTA world, not the real one.



 


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