SAMP Rules

[Gandalf]

If unarmed?

How will they do a driveby if unarmed ?

[Gandalf]

But they might chase each other in a roleplay situation. For example hitman chasing down his/her target.

See my reply to Violet. Trouble complehensive reading today ?

[Leon.]

Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.

Of course you can try to reverse it to complicate it.

Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.

The rule is simple, reasoning solid.

Think from the cop's eyes instead of the spectator's eyes for a sec.:
"FUK MAI KAR IZ MESED UP AND HE 2 FAST"
"OH LUK AN ABANDONED KOP BIKE IMMA TAEK IT AN BLOW TEH FUX OUT OF TEH KRIMINAL WIF MY AEWSUM SMG"
*cop ditches car and gets on bike*
*cop sees the criminal*
"OHAI"
*cop opens fire*

The cop is basically wielding a crappy minigun; it shoots 1/4 as slow and has approx. 1/5 of the damage. If you're unlucky enough to easily blow the guy up, he's GUARANTEED going to have a few popped tires, in which the case he slides into a pole, spins out, flies into a wall, and EXPLODESINTOHIGHHELL

[Jubin]

Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.

Of course you can try to reverse it to complicate it.

Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.

The rule is simple, reasoning solid.

The logic is extremely one-sided in relation to this. If suspects do not wish to fight or run, the cop has no reason to use the driveby.
A hitman is not supposed to work as Nigga-Rambo, but to use skills in order to kill without getting in trouble.

Cops are supposed to stop fleeing suspects, and will always be provided with the means to do so. As a single cop on a bike has no means to stop fleeing suspects other than driveby, it is the ultimate logic that it is allowed.

Because criminals should not chase.

If you think these posts. Well yes, the rule is simple. But it does not cover the problem of hitman chasing his hit. Because hitmans aren't always that extreme killers, a lot of the times players just goes and kills their victim and that's it. And killing victim in that way isn't automatically "getting into trouble".

[Leon.]

May I add:

The cops aren't retarded. They CAN and HAVE taken out suspects in larger vehicles (e.g., sentinel vs cop bike), so they do not require this, "crutch", in a sense, under their arm when they have a perfect leg. It's practically an insult to give them such a "crutch." It's like me giving an anorexic man living on the road an offer for lypo suction.

[Gandalf]

If you think these posts. Well yes, the rule is simple. But it does not cover the problem of hitman chasing his hit. Because hitmans aren't always that extreme killers, a lot of the times players just goes and kills their victim and that's it.

That is not our problem that hitmen fail. 

[Gandalf]

May I add:

The cops aren't retarded. They CAN and HAVE taken out suspects in larger vehicles (e.g., sentinel vs cop bike), so they do not require this, "crutch", in a sense, under their arm when they have a perfect leg. It's practically an insult to give them such a "crutch." It's like me giving an anorexic man living on the road an offer for lypo suction.

You are the one who is trying to take the cruth away to see if the leg is good or not.

[Leon.]

What you're telling me is an exception has been made to allow a form of HP hacking, even if it's temporary, basically.

[Jubin]

That is not our problem that hitmen fail. 

Give the hitmen a slack Ah anyway, I have given my opinion as a player, and I think I have heard. I support an idea, of letting criminals and cops use drive-by's on a bike against other vehicles.

Thank you Gandalf for reading and answering.

[Frank_Hawk]

Your missing what I'm saying.
I'm glad your able to be so optimistic about something that is going to fail.
Regardless what you do, criminals are gonna moan about something.
Until cops are removed completely from script support, criminals are gonna moan, regardless how even the admins it.

What Argonath needs are more optimists and less pessimists.   

[Mafs]

HPV is not fast, have seen so myself. Have overtaken one in a PD car hundreds of times.

PD car is pretty fast also, with the right driver.. seriously cops shouldn't complain all the time, they're fast enough. And if it's not fast enough, get your own car. (Altough not possible if you're going to do traffic stops, but that may speak for itself.)

And to everybody that complains that you can not stop a car with a police bike, get a f*cking car then..

About cops not being able to catch a criminal because he is too fast with his vehicle, is not true most of the times. The police is often not able to catch-up with a criminal because the cops constantly colide with each other in an attempt to get a criminal, do not blame fast cars for this, jeez..

To sum it all up, get some skills instead of complaining.

[Leon.]

HPV is not fast, have seen so myself. Have overtaken one in a PD car hundreds of times.

PD car is pretty fast also, with the right driver.. seriously cops shouldn't complain all the time, they're fast enough. And if it's not fast enough, get your own car. (Altough not possible if you're going to do traffic stops, but that may speak for itself.)

And to everybody that complains that you can not stop a car with a police bike, get a f*cking car then..

About cops not being able to catch a criminal because he is too fast with his vehicle, is not true most of the times. The police is often not able to catch-up with a criminal because the cops constantly colide with each other in an attempt to get a criminal, do not blame fast cars for this, jeez..

To sum it all up, get some skills instead of complaining.

About the HPV part, I've seen an HPV take out a monster 
No joke. At all.

[Violet]

Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. Exception, cop on bike.

Fixed below:

Not at all.
Rule is very simple. Drive by as driver is not allowed. *Exception cop on bike chasing a suspect who is in a vehicle and not stopping .

So how come hitmen are not allowed to use drive-by as driver whilst on a bike and cops can? Your reasoning in your post directed towards me shows that hitmen deserve to have the rule exemption as much as cops do on bikes. In the same way you will have people abusing this rule by using it in the middle of a gang war or to kill someone they don't like, I can see just as many cops abusing the rule by suspecting people for frivolous reasons and drive-bying them to death whilst they are motionless and not in a vehicle within seconds. For these reasons, I think there should be no exemptions to the rule at all. Thus the rule will be even more simple and the reasoning more solid.

Your reasoning:
- Megaphone : reaction of suspect is he can do nothing
- Forcing: bike against car is no match.
- tailgating: will take minimal 20 minutes until fuel runs out.
- waiting for a driver to stop: see the above point
- calling backup : usually backup will not arrive, and repeated location is hard during a careful chase.

-Megaphone: Who knows, maybe if you promise the guy a short jail term he may actually surrender?
-Forcing: Never heard of lag-ramming? Done properly a mountain bike can crash a coach...
-Tailgating: Not everytime as the new vehicle script added means that the fuel in your car is not replenished after a relog. Stop the suspect from filling up by shooting him after coming off the bike and he has a popped tyre; after a while the car will become more damaged until the suspect must use a Pay and Spray, stop the suspect from using the Pay and Spray and after some time the car will blow up. Alternatively, wait for the suspect to go into the Pay and Spray and aim properly, you can easily kill the suspect if you can shoot relatively well.
-Calling backup: Stated problem overcome by using the cop channel on Argonath TeamSpeak.

One more thing.. When you say that this rule has been here since 0.1b how come the administration was not informed of the exception of this rule at all until a developer used it? I know that you are entitled to make up the rules as you go along as it is your server however I find it unjust that you can claim to have an exception to a rule for two years that was non-existent to 99.9% of the server until a member of HQ used it.  Why weren't admins told not to punish cops drive-bying on bikes again on admin chat after they did it? As far as I am aware, the only people aware of this rule exception were yourself, Legolas and possibly the other few members of HQ. It would have only been beneficial if the existence of this exception of the rule was communicated to every member of the community in 0.1b - the date you gave for its creation.

[Pablo]

If unarmed?

I saw CBFasi killing suspect which was unarmed, running to the car... The vehicle which was used was Hunter.

[Pandalink]

Then I guess there is no need for a gang war system or criminal commission.

Gang war system is player made and run at the moment, the criminal commission on the other hand is looking very good and is set to resoundingly shut me up when it comes to criminal/cop equality discussions - which I think we all want.

But I thought you liked using a Buffalo, Officer Panda?

I do, but if I can driveby off my bike I may use that instead :3.