Why can we not be friends

[CBFasi]

I actually had an idea the other day, its its the sort of thing that makes sense when you step back.

Cops will be really bored without criminals...
Criminals will not even be criminals without cops...

You see its straight forward... we need each other.

So all it takes is simple things that I am pretty sure that only a few players actually think about (and often they are players that have played both sides)..

Work together for RP sake to be on different sides....
Support each other.
Be less reactive and more RP..

Your right most criminals groups appear to be what they are not, but there are members who do seem to operate extremely close to the edge of allowed conduct/rules.

Most players are here to have fun... WHY does that fun have to come at the expense of others fun, is it not more enjoyable to have fun WITH others ?

yes Criminal groups get accused of DM, even by me.... but think of these little facts.
Being a criminal does not give you the right to kills cops.
Being a cop does NOT mean you have to kill every criminal you see.

If we wanted to turn this into a dm server unfortunatly it would take very very little, as its the appearance we sometimes get..

Over reaction is the most often route to combat situations (them sitautions that are often reported as dm)

The other day I had a perfect situation that actually showed some restraint on both sides...

Its was the day that Leone was after a DPD guy and almost all of SAPD went on the defensive..
We had reports of a code purple at i9 motel, so I reasponded (alone).

Turned up at motel uc skin but made badge show, walked in and there was LOADS of players inside, drug dealing etc.  While I walked in I had no weapons drawn, but the players did and kept them aimed at me, I was allowed to walk in, then someone did a 911 call while I was in saying they had kidnapped the chief, so I casually walked out to the door and did /exit (ok tip, if you say you kidnaped someone at least ensure you actually restrained them.....).

So what is so special about this one incident..
1. I did not suspect for having guns drawn.
2. They did not shoot instantly at a cop even though they knew they was breaking the law.

So what does this mean in the end...

really simple..

Do not over react.

There is one area where many say we do overreact, and that admins.

My simple thought process.

Hacker - dont care, they are gone, no excuse... they are told on entry do not hack or cheat.
Regulars - heavy reaction, they have been here long enough to know the rules, no excuse...
New players - reduced reaction, let them know the rules... then react heavily if they do not listen...

Do I overreact at times, yes...
Do I feel bad about it.... check ts, often YES
Do I try to resolve it... YES

There are occasions where I have been that annoyed I just banned, and within 15 minutes UNBANNED the same player.

When I left school in 93 at first I thought great, no school, nore more learning..... I was wrong.

Humans are constantly learning, and even you guys who playe here must not forget this.
It is better to look back and learn from over reaction and mistakes and improve than ignore.  To admit that over reaction or mistake to others means you have recognized that issue, and should be able to learn from it.

I am almost 35 and I have LOTS to learn, we all have, it never stops, so stop bad guying and moaning, admit mistakes, learn...

If we do not learn then we might as well be cavemen....
(just how did mankind learn fire was dangerous, they got burnt, but we learnt it was dangerous...)

[Webster]

Finally someone with brains to put up something like this =]

Great Job CBF i hope this will encourage the players.

*claps*

[TheRock]

* TheRock claps

Well said... Cops state Criminals DM.. and vice versa.

I was present to the situation at the hotel, which was at Wilson hotel in ganton ;P

[Mafs]

Excellent piece of work right there CBF, hope this opens the eyes of many people. Especially the leaders of those great groups, such as the ARPD, Gvardia, Corleone, Araatus.. blabla.. etc.

No, I am not saying I am an angel. My former reputation will plead against that.. but it's the large groups that can convince the individuals to change the server back into a FUN server.

[battle]

Thats well said CBF, the point about reactive, some criminals acts before thinking when around cops.

[CBFasi]

All..

I joined this server a while ago to find a way to relax and have fun with others, as many know in the last few months its been less fun and definately less relaxing.

Now is it my fault ? maybe.
Is it just my fault ? definately not.

WE as a server need to be more relaxed, more 'it does not really matter who wins/losses' attitude, WE need to have fun... WE need to relax.

The real world is bad enough, please do not replicate it in server to that degree..

Its not that we need less rules, its actually we need less reasons to need them rules/guideance...

Any admin whill know just how often in european evenings we get reports of dmers etc, just why in early mornings do we get less.... its the players, relax, just have fun with each other.

Someone attacks you... look for a good way to react, dont flame, and sometimes it does not mean shootign back.. running can be fun, I actually did this other day, yes cop chased by crims! and I lost but is was damn fun! and both sides enjoyed it.

Yes cops get free weapons, but its still damn annoying to loose them so I carry less, and will actively protect myself in running and calling for backup!

If I fail and die, well I failed, time to carry on, should I moan ? ... why ?  the game is still on, I am still able to play, its not the end of the world..

[EliteTerm]

Back when I was in Corleone, those PD bomb threats are often criticized, but it brings something new and fun... I hope :devroll:

[Zaila]

Well said CBF, i hope others will read and take in what you wrote.

[Mikro]

Really, really, really well said CBF!! This is what we need. Being more relaxed and respect for all players!

*claps with the others*

Owh, and I am not going to write my whole opinion, which is actually the same as CBF's, for the third time. I just posted it in some other topics.. 

[CBFasi]

remember players.... WE fail if you feel worse logging off than logging on...

[Cero]

I'd LOVE to RP more with cops, but the fact of the matter is that cops only want you to /gu, or else they'll shoot you.

New cops run around shooting suspects that are idle, not fighting etc. Veteran cops also do this.

I'm afraid of cops, I dont know who of em will be cool and RP with me, or put their gun up my face and scream "/GU NAO!".


First of all.

1. If you want to improve relations between criminals and cops, remove the 100$ reward for killing criminals. This will reduce the amount of cops running around murdering criminals all the fucking time.

2. Remove the 600$ reward for jailing. This will reduce the amount of "/GU NAO" where there is no option for RP. You either /gu or you get shot.

-Cop work should be about roleplay, not making money.

3. We ALL need to start respecting eachother, not screaming "Owned/Pwned" when we win a firefight, this goes for both criminals and cops.

4. The fact that cops got this "We can just rambo all we want, we can return anyway" attitude needs to disappear, a good way to do this is to make cops lose money when they die. Like it is with criminals.

[MyleS]

That is well said and definitely true. Hope people would consider this

[CBFasi]

Interesting comments from an ex cop...

And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....

Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...

If they did then why am I not like that ??

its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!

RL analogy

A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...

Is it the tool or the person?

Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.

Its the person not the tool thats important...

[MyleS]

Interesting comments from an ex cop...

And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....

Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...

If they did then why am I not like that ??

its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!

RL analogy

A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...

Is it the tool or the person?

Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.

Its the person not the tool thats important...

Exactly, there is a movie quote: Guns do not kill people, people kill people.
So yea if there is something wrong. It is our fault not the scripts'.

[Pazienza]

1. If you want to improve relations between criminals and cops, remove the 100$ reward for killing criminals. This will reduce the amount of cops running around murdering criminals all the f**king time.

2. Remove the 600$ reward for jailing. This will reduce the amount of "/GU NAO" where there is no option for RP. You either /gu or you get shot.

-Cop work should be about roleplay, not making money.

3. We ALL need to start respecting eachother, not screaming "Owned/Pwned" when we win a firefight, this goes for both criminals and cops.

4. The fact that cops got this "We can just rambo all we want, we can return anyway" attitude needs to disappear, a good way to do this is to make cops lose money when they die. Like it is with criminals.

Except point 3, everything here is wrong.
What about you make criminals earn 5k whenever they kill a cop? While cops won't earn 600$ for jailing, 100$ for killing, and will lose 1k on death. Cool.