Admins

[Pepe]

Jcs for demote .. Totally doesn't deserve it.

[iDavid]

You obviously can't handle your job, Husky, judging by:
a) Your bitching
b) The lovely little quote you slapped onto the Gvardia topic. Yeah, good one there.
c) Your tempban on me today.
If you're too God-damned stressed over your admin job, do us a favor and just quit.

a) So are you...
b) Haven't you ever done that?
c) You expect a admin will quit because you didn't like to get tempbanned? I guess he had a reason.

"If you're too God-damned stressed over your admin job, do us a favor and just quit." - I think he is awesome

[Jamba]

If the admins started Bitching you, it's because it's Your fault not to follow the rules correctly and treat them with respect. We are all humans and have feelings. And if you still don't like them just change the god damned server for Christ's sake, it's not that hard and leave the admins doing their awesome work on this awesome server. Resuming: Admins get stressed out because of people like you, who can't follow the rules and keep thinking they are always right.

[Jcstodds]

Jcs for demote .. Totally doesn't deserve it.

  Hey I paid $10k for that admin status!    Do I get a refund?



Edit: I just remembered who you are. I banned you.

[Malcolm]

Sure, it's hard work and sometimes it might become frustrating, but if that's all there was to being an admin we wouldn't have any left. In the same time it's fun and rewarding, and I wouldn't trade such a feeling.

[Chuck_Norris]

Hello dearest fan mister Luigi and other dislikers,

It came to my knowledge that some of you seem to have a problem with the administration of our beloved server.Now I tried to understand why you all are so angry at everybody, especially on admins. I can only imagine alot of scenarios, but I shall describe on in detail:

- Player comes to Mister xxx and carjacks him
- Mister xxx reports, since the 'possible' new player didn't get education in relation with argo rules
- The admins warn the person verbally, no visible warn given (/warn)
- Mister xxx is angry and decides to moan

- Bit further on the road, an well respected admin (Husky) makes a topic that he has enough of the moan.
- Mister xxx see's his chance on eternal glory (I lolled) to come and moan even more.
- Mister xxx replies in flame language and trying to ruin the 'peacefull' athmosphere.

Conclusion:

Looking at this most likely dialogue, I can see a few problems. First of all, you do not need to tell admins to stop doing there job. I would like to see 0 admins online for a whole day. I'd bet for a punch in the nuts by Gandalf that you wouldn't last long. Sure, its easy to tell people to stop moaning, yet by counter moaning you're nothing but a reflecting image of the person who is simply stating his opinion which you mark as a moan. By the looks off it, mister Luigi also likes to personally attack me. Yet I wonder why you even bother. These last few weeks / months where a hell for me. Now do you honestly think I should be 'offended' by meaningless words, based on an internet experience? I got better things to do and i'm guessing you have better things to do aswell than go on the internet and act like a hero.
As for the general feeling of being an administrator, its still a nice job to do. I wouldnt trade this for anything because I think its quite rewarding to see so many people on the server who can play in a rule enforced environment. Sure admins can be harsh sometime, but do you honestly think we act like that for our own benefit and pleasure?  If you think so you might want to change your opinion, as this makes no sense at all. Sometimes the admins try to take off their (harsh) clothes and change them to a humor outfit, to show the regulars / new players, the admins are human being aswell. However I find it rather unfair from some to say, that all the sudden the admin is childish, non-adult.

Conclusion :
Decide what you want !!

[Leon.]

If you don't give a f**k about admins, then how about we remove all admins for the weekend (busy) on the server, 150 players with moaners, deathmatchers, and hackers interfering everyone's RP, including yours? We'll get some R&R while you suffer, eh?

It is our job to watch every player, solve every situation, and deal with every rulebreakers on a daily basis. Sure, it gets stressful once in a while, but remember this: We volunteer our spare time, our RP, to make sure you guys enjoy whatever RP you wanted to do. Don't bad guy about that.

 :ps: I wonder what CBFasi/ Aragorn has to say about your statement, Luigi, considering what they have went through?

Reread what I said about "I don't give a fuck" and say it again.

This is the LAST TIME I'm repeating myself. If you fail to comprehend this, you might as well call yourself an idiot.
The point is not about how administrators do their work or their importance to the server. It is about their complaints of how hard the admin job is in all of its glory (in other words, the public). It is also to bring the realization that you cannot stress enough how hard it is to be an admin, and while we do care about your inner-being, we don't care how hard it is when it has nothing to do with us. If it's your personal problem, keep it to yourself. Yes, I know the irony in that statement, but either way, it should be done.
Post Merge: June 09, 2010, 11:25:30 pm

I'll try to re-state Luigi's point in a different way (Please note that I am not trying to introduce any new points). Basically, he is saying that admin work is completely voluntary. Players can choose to take the role or not. So if they find it too stressful and too frustrating then it is frivolous to moan and complain about it to players. This is because they can always resign from their roles, and play as a regular player instead. Luigi understands that admin work is stressful which is why he decides not to take the role. He prefers, however, that admin players who can't handle their work should do the same.

I can see the point you are trying to make, Luigi. However, the way you expressed it was rather unpolite and unclear. Clearly, after being temp-banned, people would easily misunderstand your points to being simple moaning. If you were aware of these things, then you should've realized that expression is very critical in this thread.

Look, we got a smart one!
Now I've just got to wait for Chuck, Giac, JDC, and all of you other people denying the truth or bringing a different point COMPLETELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT TO MY STATEMENT

[Nexxt]

People cannot live without admins for 1 day.
They already make topics after 1 hour of no admin ;p

[Aksel]

Don't mind what haters say, ignore them till they fade away.

[Leon.]

You moaners are sooo sad. You don't understand how much effort, time and patience admins use to keep the server rulebreak free, yet you always throw it back into their face with this kind of shit as displayed by Luigi....
Sad, sad people.

And I thought my vision was bad.
Please scroll up this post a tad.

Oh and, what you call "moaners" are people, just like you. They have (assuming they weren't seriously injured or had birth defects) arms, legs, feet, genitals, a face, and eyes, just like you. They have a brain (literally, not figuratively) as well. Maybe if you bothered to open up to "moaners", they'd stop "moaning." And I can prove this as a fact, from my own experiences.
When arguments happen in the main chat (NOTE: I am not denying the fact that I argue in the main chat, which I do), I usually PM one party and have them speak their minds out to me. Here's one that happened not too long ago:
A guy was complaining of a Gvardia member DMing. When he said something along the lines of "Gvardia are dmers," I spoke to him. I said, "What did (name) do to you?" The moment I did that was when he stopped arguing. He gave the full story and even presented a few witnesses. He spilled his marbles on me practically, but it helped. He was much calmer when I opened up to him as opposed to the usual "Drop it." The situation was solved in a minute and the Gvardia member was dealt with.

See, in that situation, I did a favor for the admins. Yet all you think I disrespect, dislike, and dissent admins, and think I take them for granted. I respect them for taking on a painful job. But it's the ones that complain left and right about how hard it is to BE an admin that set me off. We non-administrator players came to play and have fun, not to be your counselor.

Now listen to this. Please read this in all of its fullness.
I am sincerely[/b] sorry for the wording of my statements and any direct insults to individuals I may have given out.
I respect administrators not as authority figures, baby sitters, or fun-makers (^_^), but rather their relationship to being a parent. Unlike parents, administrators do not spoon-feed us in the ass everything. But LIKE parents, they discipline us, teach us, and help us. They might not help us when our shoe's untied or when our face is wet, but they'll help us when we broke a leg or snapped an arm.
Administrators deal with a lot, I know. I've had to deal with a SINGLE toddler a few years back. A SINGLE toddler. That was a true pain in the ass, because a) they can control their body well (e.g., walking, grasping), b) they haven't learned much yet, and c) they aren't aware of the big dangers us mature (by mature, I mean someone whose voice no longer sounds like they smoke helium at breakfast time) are aware of.
But being an Administrator involves dealing with people of all ages, attitudes, and in large numbers. As opposed to my toddler situation, you can use commands to shut their mouths or make them get the hell out. But in disadvantages, you have people who are older than you, younger than you, tougher than you, and possibly smarter than you. Hell, you could be, I don't know, 16 while a 43 year old man is flaming or something. I know it could feel weird telling some fully grown man to shut his mouth. And I know it's hard to open up to audiences of all people of the world, whether they be Jews, Amish, White, Black, Australian, or even fucking living in Congo.
I respect the ass-load you put in. But if you're unwilling or unable to handle the stress, then you can end your responsibility. But it's up to you.

Thank you for reading, respectfully.
Post Merge: June 09, 2010, 11:51:36 pm

Hello dearest fan mister Luigi and other dislikers,

Shortened because it was pretty damn long

I apologized to you for the personal attack and admitted to my wrong-doing, so why are you still fighting me?

[Chuck_Norris]

I'm not fighting, i'm simply defending my view, as you are doing exactly the same.

[Leon.]

I'm not fighting, i'm simply defending my view, as you are doing exactly the same.

You claim I've attacked you personally (which I did). I apologized for it, yet you're still using it against me.
It's like me declaring war on the UK and launching nuclear missiles because of what they did to us in the 1600's-1700's, even though that's long done and over and they've "apologized' for it.

[JDC]

Do you even know what moaning people like you caused, that almost made Aragorn and CBF leave?

All the effort the admins and owners put into Argonath, and people like you thank us with shitload of moaning for doing our job. Face it, you were in fault, so you got what you deserved. Notice that people like you and Pepe only start moaning about admins after facing punishment at their hands.

I'd like to see you say everything that you said to RON or CBF, and observe what happens to you after.

[Leon.]

Do you even know what moaning people like you caused, that almost made Aragorn and CBF leave?

All the effort the admins and owners put into Argonath, and people like you thank us with shitload of moaning for doing our job. Face it, you were in fault, so you got what you deserved. Notice that people like you and Pepe only start moaning about admins after facing punishment at their hands.

I'd like to see you say everything that you said to RON or CBF, and observe what happens to you after.

Read the God-damned post.
The point is not the fact that I got tempbanned. I could give two shits about it now. Say one more damn thing about it, and your intelligence will go down the drain.

Look, here's my point in one sentence for people like JDC who just go "loltl;dr":
Administrators... "MOAN" about how hard their job is to players, when quite frankly, they don't want to hear it.

I barely know Aragorn, but based off of one of his quotes ("If you cannot handle the admin job, simply quit...") I can tell he'd agree me if he too understood my statement.

Look, if you aren't going to read my statements, don't argue with me. But here I go again, knowing you aren't going to read this at a chance of 1:5.

I'm not "MOANING" as you'd say. I'm SICK and FUCKING TIRED of hearing your GOD DAMN BITCHING about how DAMN HARD your job is. You are disgracing the entire admin team by your complaining. You show you cannot handle such pressure. Now stop whining to players and deal with the job or quit the damn job. This is exactly why I'm not an admin. If I were an admin, I'd be PMS every day due to my low patience level with people, like many admins already are.

If 90% of the admin team was Vince, Argonath's players would have the greatest time of their whole lives in Argonath.
Yes, VINCE! In my opinion, the most honorable, respectful, and BEST administrators Argonath has to offer to me. He's more than "a cop named Vince." He shows respect for EVERYONE and doesn't bitch and bitch and BITCH about how fucking hard his job is.

Vince should be a role model for all admins out there. At least Vince has a higher level of decency than many of you, and yes, even myself.

[Pandalink]

Well of all the things in your post, I think everyone can agree that Vince rocks.