IV:MP - Developers Answer: Post your examples!

[Mark]

Improper use of a script isn't fault of managers / scripter . It's us that have to use it in good way. If a regular players doesnt see any RP going on with robbery , what he has to do ? Wait for you to escape and then moan ?

You could start the RP , instead of take out a shotgun and run all the way near the shop robbed. I'm talking in general.

We all need to make a proper use of it.

[superh2o]

White has a point there, The auto missions should be scraped/removed only manager made should exist at this point/condition of script.

As for cops i have a suggestion, any new player that joins the server gets the rank free cops gets 35 berreta 80 pistol ammo and the free /fillup at PD command, now from the behaving of that player he can be demoted to trial officer rank gets only pistol no free refill, and removal of /su command ( or a shorter su length when a trial cops issues a /SU), this is for a reason i seen today to my extreme surprise most of regular free cops don't know what is a valid and what is a invalid SU, i was sued for "carkill" and 5 officers keep ramming me even tho i told them check the /crime ID they did and then they keep spamming /m2 and /gu now, they gave 0 attention that i was a invalid SU and just wanted to shoot me down, i exited and /gued they even investigated me how i got "carkill" su after all that, because there was no one on to UNSU me i had to be driver around in the police car for 35min, or as they suggested to jail me and act like SU never happened, which i refused).

The DM from freecops side is not worst then ever before, they can return freely to chase, they have free fuel, guns.
Whats even worse is that some new gangs think that behaving like cops is ok and are now using DM like ways of dealing with other gang/family's and not the RP as they should.
By letting police have so much power the RP now is looking like SAMP we can only RP in zones far away from cops, god forbid we meet at MGS, for a criminal RP (no matter how ig or little) means instant DM.
There days seeing a cop who will say stop LCPD surrender using by typing /gu is impossible, but getting killed in a seconds is a normal thing now.

The only thing criminals have is well more game play time (experience), we don't have more guns then cops, we don't have free instant /fillups.

So yes cops should be make by ranks so they can earn all those perks of there job.
Also rank full freecop can only be restored back by manager when he thinks the player earned the right to use all privileges of duty.

In my opinion this will distinguish the good free cops from the bad ones, and lower the work rate for A-team who at current setup needs to have admin/manager or higher ranked FBI/LCPD player to issue a cop ban.

So yes in light of Argonath vision rules all players should start from full free cop rank and get the rank they deserve from the way they play, there might be even good to add a rank in between the trial cop and full freecop like just a freecop.

And a idea of a test like passport test for the full freecop rank would be nice, that would make the Criminals know that the officers they are against know the rules know the SU from valid and invalid, know the ticket prices and the most important know that RP can make better things then just going in and blasting stuff.

[Armelin]

How come I never got "blasted" when they were no admins on when playing in my UC account?.
I tell you how, most of the players complaining about the "lack of RP" spend their time driving fast and showing off their guns. Do you expect the new cop to be nice to you?.
What do you guys seriously want from cops now? Their RP is always trashed by players because they can't even handle paying a speed ticket without reporting.
-Someone posted about cops having free guns so I reply to this person asking where is his common sense at.
-Also if abused /GU, if there is no one to investigate you then go to jail so you don't loose your guns and then we will be happy to give you a refund.


About the robberies now, its not a job, you are not forced to do it, its a DISTRACTION that is meant to be fun. There is absolutely nothing stopping you to start a robbery RP the way mentioned above, if you cant start it your own then ask a staff for help. Also most of the informations mentioned about the robbery system is incorrect,
1- t takes 2 hours for the server begin considering starting a robbery,
2- its not only for 2 players,
3- its not always at the same place,
4- you can make much more than 1k if you and your team have more criminal respect points,
5- a few players were so successful in it that I had to raise the delay between robberies, so don't tell me its unfair.


We are always open for discussion and ideas but before tossing the responsibility to someone else have a look at your own actions.

[victor2662]

May I remind some of you guys that even though this is a roleplay server, no one is forced to roleplay here. For those complaining about the "lack of RP" on scripted robberies, why dont you start some RP yourself?! If you want RP, then start making some. Here is an example:

You get in a robbery with someone. So after the notification, /call him. Make up a meeting point with him, gather up for some weapons and ammo, plan everything right, make up some escape vehicles and then and only then, go to the marker to start the mission. I did this on the first robbery we had for testing with Armelin and it was really fun.

If you see a robbery, dont just rush into the marker to start seeing some glowing green numbers come up and evade the cops like animals. Its not because the robberies are scripted and automatic that you need to stop roleplaying them. What I want to say is that if you want RP, then make it happen. Instead of just start complaining all over and pointing fingers on the developer who made the script.

[superh2o]

2- its not only for 2 players

All the auto server robbery's so far i have seen were only 2 players per mission.

3- its not always at the same place

And so far i only seen 3 spots going like this 1k-1.5k missions Comrades bar, 1.5-2k Bohan GS, 2,5k-3k (3k max i seen) China Restaurant alguien.
And i'm a lvl 20 criminal so i have those "respect points"

4- you can make much more than 1k if you and your team have more criminal respect points

Again, not for auto set robbing.

5- a few players were so successful in it that I had to raise the delay between robberies, so don't tell me its unfair.

It should be even lower that it is now.
 
P.S:
Quotes 2 and 4 are true for manager made missions only.

If you see a robbery, dont just rush into the marker to start seeing some glowing green numbers come up and evade the cops like animals. Its not because the robberies are scripted and automatic that you need to stop roleplaying them. What I want to say is that if you want RP, then make it happen. Instead of just start complaining all over and pointing fingers on the developer who made the script.

We tried, we talked they carjacked us and we got killed, then we tried again and results were the same, now even if we don't "run like animals" officers made a new tactic they ram our cars at high speed going down, well for example comrades bar street, so its not that the criminal side dose not RP its few players from both sides, only think about the money and now its all gone to hell. Only 2 cops even Rped a rob with me one was Sue other was Mark, that's all the RP in a robbing i seen (that both sides were involved) ....I personally blame the players who see only money now.

[Armelin]

Location              | Max profit
HB bar                 | 2000
GS                       | 2500
Chinese res         | 3500
Hotel                   | 5000
forgot                  | 7500
museum              | 8500
LC bank              | 12000
 


If you don't do these is because you or your friends don't have the respect needed.

[superh2o]

Location              | Max profit
HB bar                 | 2000
GS                       | 2500
Chinese res         | 3500
Hotel                   | 5000
forgot                  | 7500
museum              | 8500
LC bank              | 12000
 


If you don't do these is because you or your friends don't have the respect needed.

But seems this is only for manager made missions me and lee are both lvl 20 rep and still only have regular missions up to 2.5k.....not that it matter any way, but thanks for the info, and can i ask can a manager still make a mission?

And can such a thing as a lets say password be added to make group organised manager made missions more easier to get into with lets say 6 players?

And about the player owned group banks, any progress with that? Lucchese are very interested in a group bank.

[Armelin]

The higher the stack the more players with that respect is needed in order to start that robbery, the LC bank for example requires at least 4 players with respect 32.


Group bank wasn't discussed yet but its easy to make.

[Mark]

What about bank script? I have seen Liberty Bank will be open soon , will it include script support?

And i had in mind , /storegun for officers , we store a limited amount of guns in our trunk(Like 30) so that if we need a fast rearm we have not to go back at PD. Also for civilians , allowing to store guns inside trunk with limited amout.

I am aware that this has been discussed in some other topic , was it considered ?

[yaz000n]

i did not understand whats going to happen can you please explain to me in detail ,thank you

[Mihail Junkovich]

One question.. just one. Those respect points, are they still earned with amount of weed you are carrying around?

[victor2662]

One question.. just one. Those respect points, are they still earned with amount of weed you are carrying around?

Respect points are earned through /orderweed and robberies.

1 ordered weed from NPC = 1 respect point.
100 respect points = 1 Respect level.

/givedrugs does not give respect points to any of the players involved. That means you can have 900 weed on your inventory, but no respect points, if all your weed was given by another player.

[Ramis]

I tell you how, most of the players complaining about the "lack of RP" spend their time driving fast and showing off their guns.

False

I dont have money for guns 

Good luck ,sry for weird reply. Btw about weed thing Vic said above. I kinda not support Crime Life update in IV:MP (ofc idea is good), because it always crash and we loose our rob money.

[superh2o]

False

I dont have money for guns 

Good luck ,sry for weird reply. Btw about weed thing Vic said above. I kinda not support Crime Life update in IV:MP (ofc idea is good), because it always crash and we loose our rob money.

Sadly its very true, 75% of criminal players lack imagination and need guns to have any "role play".

And fun part is you don't need guns, like really no need for guns.

That's why many criminal groups fell apart after the gun reset and few had no problems with it.

[Armelin]

Update 25 will lower your robbery score instead of removing it completely on crash.
As for new feature, the fuel burnt will now depend on how fast you drive, 60 km/h = old rate.